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with bounty

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well well well welcome higher side

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Cheddar's drinking a little drink

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smoking a little smoke from sunny San

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would and for the most part I've stopped

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preface in the show so we can get right

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into the interviews this is what we're

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but I do want to give you just a little

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bit of context for today's talk with

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Daniel Pinchbeck we recorded this

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interview bright and early on the

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morning after election day so it hadn't

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even been confirmed that Trump had won

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until I woke up and I was still in

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disbelief maybe I still am I know the

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news was fresh for Daniel too I think he

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was the first person I even spoke to

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about it besides my special lady and

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while I'm no Trump supporter and you'd

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have to be pretty naive to think he's

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not the puppet of some other hidden hand

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in the game of power pyramid Thrones

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I chose then and still do to be a little

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bit more celebratory over the fact that

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the Clinton machine was stopped that is

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really interesting to me not only

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exposed with this Pizza Gate spirit

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cooking type stuff that just never

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really happens any conspiracy enthusiast

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should be kicking back with the popcorn

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because there has been something big

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happening behind the scenes but I don't

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wanna get too crazy here although I

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would love to see Hillary sweat while

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she tries to explain him on Santo

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JPMorgan Chase Saudi Arabia and the rest

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of her big donors that their investments

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aren't going to yield the type of

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influence that they thought they might

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so I just try to look at the positives

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here but I'm wasting too much time I

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just want to also throw out that we

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with literally the best conspiratorial

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full-color art I've seen on any clothing

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period I met some new artists that are

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amazing that also happened to be

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listeners so every design ties directly

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in with a previous higher side chats

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episode we got Hollow Earth stuff we got

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Baphomet stuff we got education

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we even got JP Morgan sank the Titanic

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to Institute the Federal Reserve stuff

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so I think you're gonna love it all the

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that's a big deal

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me launching t-shirt company 2.0 but I

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wanting to hear Daniel Pinchbeck again

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big thanks to him for spending the time

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also very well written even if we have a

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couple of minor disagreements I like to

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think we're pretty aligned on the big

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things and both want what's best for

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people and the planet so let's do the

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damn thing play us in plate scrapers and

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we'll be taking a dive into the mind of

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they're normally talking a certain so we

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all right higher side chatters it seems

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to me that even the most dense of

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observers can see that we have serious

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problems the economic game the

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rockefeller rothschild reality is built

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on is more one-sided and unstable than

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ever the earth seems to be going through

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some serious stress while multinational

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clean without regard and the one-two

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punch of media and education has dumbed

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down the population and pacified our

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pineal so thoroughly that most the

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mainstream wade through life in defeated

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apathy and exhausted indifference it's a

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multi-faceted crisis of consciousness

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like we've never seen and as the

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proverbial train comes closer and closer

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to derailment the shadowy cabal of

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conductors seems to have little gameplan

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beyond full steam ahead well today's

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guest has racked his brain broken open

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the head and ceremoniously sent his

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consciousness deep into the great beyond

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in his attempts to develop a system of

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solutions to the rickety runaway train

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we call modern society he is the

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renowned author philosopher and

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psychonaut daniel pinchbeck and having

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gotten himself on the radar with his

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first two books breaking open the head

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in 2012 the return of Quetzalcoatl he's

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laying out the roadmap to right the ship

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and solve many of the previously

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how soon is now I can't wait to dive

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into it and it's a real treat to have

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him here just after our National

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exercise and false choices on this fine

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fine post-election morning Daniel my man

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welcome to the higher side thanks for

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having me yeah yeah so happy to have you

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here man we scheduled this yesterday and

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then we had to postpone it and I'm so

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glad we did because I think we're both

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pretty shocked about Trump winning this

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morning you gotta be right what do you

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think this means yeah it's interesting I

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the election and Vince that he was gonna

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win hmm after seeing I think maybe like

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two baby did one of the first debates

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whole sex scandals and everything and I

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thought you know maybe she was going to

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pull it out but I sort of got behind the

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rallying around her so yeah it's it's

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quite shocking it really is and I'm

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seeing a lot of people saying that this

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means America is more racist than they

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thought or more sexist than they thought

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the DNC more than you could racism and I

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know that he said some crazy and

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sensitive things but that doesn't

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translate to policy as much as Clinton

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giving six-figure speeches for banks are

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foreign countries with their foundation

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or pushing for every conflict in the

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last 15 years and I think that would be

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a better focus of people's attention

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reeling back the globalist agenda isn't

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so bad and I think if you've cried in

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the last 12 hours or posted about how

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your heart hurts maybe you're too

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attached to mainstream politics and

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blinded by the liberal viewpoint but

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that's just me not that I would support

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either one of them really yeah I'm you

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know you know I guess the fear on his

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demagogic rhetoric you know would be

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that there have been other situations

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like this that end up with the kind of

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dismantling of even those kind of like

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moderate democratic institutions that

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have developed centuries you know yeah

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totally totally fair points I mean these

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people become you know dynasties like

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Peru and Argentina or Berlusconi in

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Italy or whatever but I mean I guess you

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people did vote for this person after

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everything that he's expressed and for

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the Great Society people getting better

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education they were beginning to turn on

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substances and so on and you know under

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those maybe Nixon area there was a sense

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the direction so you know in a way they

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they created the war on drugs right a

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sulfide population who you know are kind

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of indoctrinated by this mass media

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that's just totally programming their

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minds eating food that feeds ill help

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and psychopharmaceuticals drugs fatigues

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have been in artificial states you know

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of 50 years of a disastrous policy right

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it's a false choice anyway but if you

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that was allowed to be an option so I

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think if you cut through the drama and

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the media hype the point the American

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voters are trying to make is no more

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establishment politicians it's not like

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most people support racism or sexist

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statements but if those are aspects of

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the only other choice on the table it

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no more of these corrupt political

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dynasties so I'm trying to stay positive

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about the results that we've just been

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blindsided by well I think there is the

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possibility that in some ways this is

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the best results as hard as it's going

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to be for people to stomach it in the

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near term I mean in the you know we saw

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under Barack Obama are kind of like the

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best option for what a u.s. president to

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accomplish and you know nothing was

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really done to deal I mean you know from

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book have students now yes the first

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is that we are you know on the verge of

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committing suicide as a species but

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we're on the verge of bringing out about

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either mega collapse of our support

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systems or even our own extinction and

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we can see what's happening to the

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acceleration in climate change and the

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melting of the ice caps

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we're losing 10 percent roughly of the

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Earth's remaining biodiversity every 10

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to 15 years you know 100 150 species a

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day estimated going extinct out of 8.2

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million total other other planets

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current predictions are 4 degrees

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Celsius temperature warmer by 2100 you

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know we know the last time there was

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this much carbon in the atmosphere

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temperatures were 4 degree Celsius

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higher so that's where we're headed at

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this point but we also have

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that it doesn't happen incrementally but

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actually it can spike and actually

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become for short period much warmer this

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happens because you know the positive

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methane that are frozen in this period

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of permafrost and under the Arctic

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Circle and so on and methane about well

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co2 lasts in the atmosphere for a

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hundred years

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methane only lasts the atmosphere about

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ten years but it's something like thirty

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times more potent because if you

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trapping gas than co2 and there's

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something like a hundred Giga tons of it

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frozen so the Permian mass extinction

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which happened about ten to fifteen

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million years ago ninety-five percent of

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all life on Earth went extinct and I

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think it was like a half century or

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something

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once this methane erupted in large

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quantities mm-hmm that's you know on the

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precipice like that's already methane is

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already you know coming up so you know

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what we saw with Barack Obama and we're

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about to see with Hillary Clinton you

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know these are politicians who are

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intelligent enough you would think to

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understand that this is the critical you

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know our life-support systems or the

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critical issue I mean and then the other

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thing about the temperatures spiking is

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you know obviously it affects we're

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pretty seeing forest fires all around

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the world that are releasing co2 there's

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those forests double your act as carbon

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sinks you know at something like four or

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five degrees Celsius warmer than now

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that has a big impact on the plankton

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life cycle on the ocean and while the

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forests around the world produce about

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twenty percent of the oxygen we breathe

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the plankton in the ocean produced more

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than like fifty percent so essentially

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if we warm to the point where the

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plankton is reproducing and we've gotten

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rid of our forests as they dry out and

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burn we don't have any oxygen left and

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we suffocate we have sixty eight

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so yeah even these seemingly you know

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rational and well-educated by the system

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and entrenched in the establishment

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politicians like you know Obama and

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Clinton IP with themselves totally

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useless and unable to address the

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underlying issues that really matter to

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our collective future so in that sense I

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think that's the fact that the

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neoliberal agenda is finally disbanded

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or the establishment around it through

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this election could be a good thing and

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the possibility that a much more

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authentic radical alternative could

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actually emerge you know is something

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that actually has to happen and perhaps

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it can only happen in an emergency

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situation right yeah and that was gonna

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be one of my first questions for you

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really before I did end up replanting a

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bit of this this morning but your book

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is largely about climate change and that

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is probably one of the unfortunate

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things about a Trump win is that we're

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probably gonna go backwards in some of

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those areas a bit back to coal this

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pipeline thing is probably gonna go

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through more fracking and stuff that can

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really do lasting damage and I hope we

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don't end up with more poison and

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contaminants in drinking water that's

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just one example of what can happen yeah

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well I just wanted to say that first of

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all you know climate change a little bit

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of misnomer you know it's a biosphere

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crisis and a much more powerful framing

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is you know the planetary boundaries

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model the soccer Brazilian Center where

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climate change is only a piece of the

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puzzle that also includes biodiversity

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loss ocean acidification the oceans are

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30% more acidic and they were 40 years

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ago because they absorb a lot of the co2

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that we're emitting and that's leading

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to the breakdown of the coral reefs and

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so on atmospheric pollution

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you know ozone depletion and so on yeah

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it's just every is that kind of wince

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when people reduce it to climate change

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because I feel it's become one of those

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instant memes that sort of just falls in

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a kind of dead space in people's psyche

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almost that's true yeah it's it's

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definitely been politicized and as one

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of those buzz words but yeah I mean you

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know the question is whether this well I

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guess one of the I can give you the

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basic pipe

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these or ideas of the book what is that

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this echo logical crisis is a rite of

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passage or initiation for Humanity and

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if we're gonna survive the species which

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as I said is kind of in doubt you know

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however many of us make it through we're

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gonna have to undergo a shift from our

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current state of adolescence egotism

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narcissism to you no collective and

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individual responsibility for the fate

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of the whole and that's basically what

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initiations are about you know in

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traditional societies like the

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adolescent isn't seen as a full adult

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until they've had a kind of

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transpersonal visionary experience that

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has enlarged the scope of their

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awareness so you understand that their

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life is part of a larger continuum and

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actually you know even understand that

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there's a supernatural or spiritual

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dimension to existence that allows them

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to take their role in the society as a

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full adult sorry humanity in modern

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society did away with initiations and I

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was very inspired by like German

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philosopher Walter Benjamin you talked

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about how you know humanity has this

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intrinsic need to have ecstatic

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communion with the cosmos and if we

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don't manage this through culturally you

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know created rituals then we will define

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ourselves

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unconsciously through Wars and disasters

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and so on so I mean I almost feel that

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the ecological crisis is something that

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we are subconsciously self willing or

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self-creating to force to bring

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ourselves to transformation or

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transportation or something mm-hmm and

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that is one of my favorite points you

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make in the book that the big gaping

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hole in modern Western society is the

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initiatory experience and I think

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there's some weight to that when I

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compare the lives of people I've known

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from kindergarten who have taken insight

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from their psychedelic experiences

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versus those who have lived a more sober

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mainstream career-oriented life it does

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feel like there is some stunted growth

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with that latter group and I'm curious

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just how damaging you'd consider that

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one action because we could get

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conspiratorial about all the ways we've

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been affected reducing nutrients in the

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food supply dumbing us down and

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state-run education programs

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but how much of our problems or the

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damage that's been done do you think can

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be attributed just to that source of the

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lost initiation yeah I mean

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[Music]

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you know I resist by the way the kind of

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us and a rhetoric which a lot of people

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on the conspiratorial left going to flow

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into I think it's much more subtle and

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intricate than that but yeah I think

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sometime in the early you know as

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Christianity rose to prominence you know

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up until like 400 AD or whatever you

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know there was the city of mysteries

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that got him for twenty five hundred

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years and there was this idea that at

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least the sort of leaders of society the

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cultural and philosophical and political

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leaders would come together and have an

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experience together that may have

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involved actually a psychedelic

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substance annually and you know that

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idea that there needed to at least be an

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initiation for you know some percentage

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of the population was then yeah kind of

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shifted as we went into Christianity to

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an indoctrination system so religions

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monotheistic religions but kind of moral

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codes you know there exoteric not

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esoteric they don't promote the

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individual having their own experience

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except you kind of slavish devotion or

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fealty or whatever to elite you know

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priests class whatever mm-hmm so yeah

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and so somehow like I think that became

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you know the way things were propagated

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the new system and then in a way with

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19th to 20th century and discovery of

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mass media and communications tools the

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whole medium communication system is

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like a giant medaka nation or mind

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programming system and so that's better

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what we're seeing at this point is in a

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way I feel it's it's kind of interesting

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I almost feel like with this election

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you know the part of the reckoning is

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going to be on the part of the media

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which has been so responsible for the

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dumbing down of the population or

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exacerbating their lowest appetites for

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you know feeding them [\h__\h] this is good

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and now they fed them so much [\h__\h] that

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you know they've become [\h__\h] well said

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and why don't we talk about that us

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first them mindset and the situation

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we're in with the elite because maybe

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you can't draw distinct lines around us

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and them and you're right that we have

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major problems coming an economic crisis

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and an environmental one but how much

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responsibility is the average person

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supposed to take

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because I think most people want world

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peace equality good natural food in a

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clean environment but we didn't start

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fractional reserve banking or poison the

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groundwater with fracking and it does

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seem like it's a small group of

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globalists and international

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corporations that engineer these wars

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and conflicts and it's these huge

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corporations that drive pollution

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because they don't care about ethics in

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their large-scale operations and they've

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limited our choices history shows that

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we had alcohol based fuel and viable

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electric vehicles before we had our

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options reduced to standard oil and we

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had hemp is a much more renewable

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resource before that was blocked by

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industrialists who had logging companies

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and wanted to make everything out of

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oil-based plastics it seems like there

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are solutions but they've just been kept

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off-limits to us and we didn't make

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these decisions yeah you know once again

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I don't really think in terms of blame

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or fault I'm not sure how useful that is

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I try to understand things on a systemic

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level

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you know for whatever reason things have

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things have turned out this way at the

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present time and then the question is

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you know what are the tools and

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strategies that could be used to you

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know bring about change to the system

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obviously at a much deeper level than

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just political reform mm-hmm you know in

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my new book I kind of look at it as

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trying to envision kind of a new

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operating system it's almost like all of

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our interlocking institutions the

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political economic the media

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entertainment you know

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military-industrial entertainment

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complex it's all like a system you know

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that's also like it's like it has its

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own kind of like frequency and discourse

549
00:21:40,090 --> 00:21:38,570
and so on but that operating system for

550
00:21:41,490 --> 00:21:40,100
consciousness you know has kind of

551
00:21:44,860 --> 00:21:41,500
reached its endpoint

552
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:44,870
so then the question is what's available

553
00:21:53,500 --> 00:21:48,890
to us as options for constructing a new

554
00:21:55,690 --> 00:21:53,510
system and for me like obviously the

555
00:21:59,560 --> 00:21:55,700
evolution of social technology and

556
00:22:02,470 --> 00:21:59,570
communications tools point towards the

557
00:22:05,170 --> 00:22:02,480
potential to have a rapid change I mean

558
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:05,180
for instance extraordinary that Facebook

559
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:06,890
just started 10 years ago by you know

560
00:22:11,340 --> 00:22:09,410
college kid and now it's got over a

561
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:11,350
billion people using it every day you

562
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:14,690
know it's a tool like that could be used

563
00:22:20,020 --> 00:22:17,330
not just for people to display their you

564
00:22:22,180 --> 00:22:20,030
know photos and we make little updates

565
00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:22,190
in theory you know we could use our

566
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:25,310
social technologies to supplant or

567
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:28,010
supersede many of the functions of the

568
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:29,890
current political economic super state

569
00:22:34,930 --> 00:22:33,170
yeah I do love the new book and the road

570
00:22:37,390 --> 00:22:34,940
map you put out the blueprint you lay

571
00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:37,400
out I'm in such agreement with so many

572
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:40,370
of those things but and I guess I'm just

573
00:22:45,850 --> 00:22:42,410
cynical and I you know I hope that I'm

574
00:22:47,710 --> 00:22:45,860
wrong but I guess my argument is is the

575
00:22:49,810 --> 00:22:47,720
problem that we don't have a proper

576
00:22:51,970 --> 00:22:49,820
blueprint or roadmap or is the problem

577
00:22:53,710 --> 00:22:51,980
that we're not allowed to change it in

578
00:22:59,230 --> 00:22:53,720
some of those key areas that we'd want

579
00:23:01,020 --> 00:22:59,240
to uh I mean III I felt that we first of

580
00:23:03,060 --> 00:23:01,030
all needed the blueprint of the roadmap

581
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:03,070
I mean I

582
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:04,720
you know my books generally have come

583
00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:07,090
out of my own it's like it's almost like

584
00:23:12,090 --> 00:23:10,600
an inner sense of like discomfort or the

585
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:12,100
strange sense that they're there that

586
00:23:15,629 --> 00:23:13,690
like you know I go to a bookstores or

587
00:23:18,419 --> 00:23:15,639
look through the media and there's some

588
00:23:20,749 --> 00:23:18,429
missing jigsaw puzzle piece you know

589
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,759
that doesn't that doesn't doesn't and

590
00:23:24,509 --> 00:23:22,720
there's something important that I feel

591
00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:24,519
isn't really being understood properly

592
00:23:28,649 --> 00:23:27,130
or me or anyone else that was my first

593
00:23:30,629 --> 00:23:28,659
book breaking up into heaven psychedelic

594
00:23:33,690 --> 00:23:30,639
shamanism you know I started to have

595
00:23:35,879 --> 00:23:33,700
these incredibly amazing visionary

596
00:23:37,980 --> 00:23:35,889
experiences through psychedelics and you

597
00:23:41,340 --> 00:23:37,990
know tribal people in Africa and so on

598
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:41,350
and I felt that there was no there was

599
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:42,850
nothing that really explained it

600
00:23:47,009 --> 00:23:44,559
properly to put all the pieces together

601
00:23:48,930 --> 00:23:47,019
what it could mean in terms of history

602
00:23:52,019 --> 00:23:48,940
of idea is an anthropology and

603
00:23:53,399 --> 00:23:52,029
literature and so on so that let me

604
00:23:56,249 --> 00:23:53,409
write breaking up in the head in the

605
00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:56,259
second book 2012 similarly then having

606
00:24:00,690 --> 00:23:58,330
through the research of breaking open

607
00:24:02,669 --> 00:24:00,700
the head my worldview shifted from just

608
00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:02,679
sort of a scientific materialists cynic

609
00:24:07,710 --> 00:24:05,769
to recognizing that there are these kind

610
00:24:10,110 --> 00:24:07,720
of a cult I mentioned the shamanic

611
00:24:11,629 --> 00:24:10,120
realms the collective unconscious that

612
00:24:13,769 --> 00:24:11,639
Jung talked about like I had so many

613
00:24:15,899 --> 00:24:13,779
direct experiences of these things I

614
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:15,909
realized that the Western rational

615
00:24:22,590 --> 00:24:19,450
knowledge system was completely defunct

616
00:24:24,539 --> 00:24:22,600
in certain respects and yes that we took

617
00:24:27,210 --> 00:24:24,549
them suppressed and repressed indigenous

618
00:24:29,310 --> 00:24:27,220
knowledge systems we had no access to

619
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,320
understanding their way of being and

620
00:24:32,879 --> 00:24:31,600
knowing the nature of reality so the

621
00:24:35,249 --> 00:24:32,889
book was an attempt to kind of heal the

622
00:24:37,649 --> 00:24:35,259
knowledge system by finding the junction

623
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:37,659
points between Western thoughts I think

624
00:24:41,779 --> 00:24:39,039
here's like Heidegger and Nietzsche and

625
00:24:44,159 --> 00:24:41,789
Carl Rudolf Steiner and these indigenous

626
00:24:45,899 --> 00:24:44,169
understandings of the nature of the

627
00:24:47,159 --> 00:24:45,909
world nature of reality and the nature

628
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:47,169
of the time there were animals being

629
00:24:51,060 --> 00:24:49,600
this time of prophetic change you know

630
00:24:53,249 --> 00:24:51,070
so that's always in the background of my

631
00:24:55,169 --> 00:24:53,259
thinking and so having done that book

632
00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:55,179
then my next sort of question was like

633
00:25:02,220 --> 00:24:58,690
having understood maybe a different

634
00:25:05,399 --> 00:25:02,230
model the reality that we're in how does

635
00:25:07,230 --> 00:25:05,409
that then apply to the pragmatic you

636
00:25:09,779 --> 00:25:07,240
know system that has everybody kind of

637
00:25:10,769 --> 00:25:09,789
in its thrall what is it the base of

638
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:10,779
that system and how do we bring about

639
00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:13,690
its transcendence to create a world that

640
00:25:16,649 --> 00:25:15,190
you know works for everybody I'm very

641
00:25:19,529 --> 00:25:16,659
much inspired by people like

642
00:25:22,139 --> 00:25:19,539
but Mr Fuller his book utopia or Bolivia

643
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:22,149
and the Murray Bookchin the social

644
00:25:27,180 --> 00:25:25,330
ecologist and even Oscar Wilde's

645
00:25:30,659 --> 00:25:27,190
incredible essay the soul of man under

646
00:25:32,099 --> 00:25:30,669
socialism yeah so that was point of the

647
00:25:35,339 --> 00:25:32,109
new book and I do think that we need

648
00:25:36,899 --> 00:25:35,349
blueprint I mean you know an example and

649
00:25:38,009 --> 00:25:36,909
we look at Milton Friedman I know if you

650
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:38,019
read nobody finds book the Shock

651
00:25:43,049 --> 00:25:40,090
Doctrine but Milton Friedman was the

652
00:25:45,330 --> 00:25:43,059
lead to the neoliberal economists who

653
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:45,340
advocated for privatization and so on

654
00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:48,369
and you know starting in the 60s or 70s

655
00:25:52,589 --> 00:25:49,809
he was working with a whole group and

656
00:25:55,019 --> 00:25:52,599
they realized that that they wanted to

657
00:25:57,169 --> 00:25:55,029
move society in a direction but to do

658
00:26:00,210 --> 00:25:57,179
that was going to require kind of a

659
00:26:02,430 --> 00:26:00,220
effort you know and so they began to

660
00:26:06,989 --> 00:26:02,440
create institutions like think tanks and

661
00:26:08,639 --> 00:26:06,999
magazines and then books and so on and

662
00:26:10,259 --> 00:26:08,649
built in Freiburg basically said at one

663
00:26:12,869 --> 00:26:10,269
point that you know when in crisis comes

664
00:26:14,460 --> 00:26:12,879
the ideas that get applied are the ones

665
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:14,470
that happened to be lying around

666
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:18,129
you know she then 1989 happens and other

667
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:19,840
things before that but the Berlin Wall

668
00:26:23,849 --> 00:26:21,970
fell and the neoliberal economists

669
00:26:25,859 --> 00:26:23,859
rushed into the Soviet Union with

670
00:26:28,229 --> 00:26:25,869
solutions which were privatized

671
00:26:30,539 --> 00:26:28,239
state-owned industries essentially

672
00:26:33,089 --> 00:26:30,549
leading to the rise of oligarchies and

673
00:26:35,339 --> 00:26:33,099
you know Newton and so on so you know we

674
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:35,349
can see that we're already in a crisis

675
00:26:39,570 --> 00:26:37,090
low level of crisis certainly said but

676
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:39,580
probably bigger thresholds of crisis are

677
00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:42,159
coming and my deal was that just as the

678
00:26:46,529 --> 00:26:44,169
neoliberal economists had put out a plan

679
00:26:49,499 --> 00:26:46,539
that could then be applied kind of you

680
00:26:53,249 --> 00:26:49,509
know the anarchist spiritual you know

681
00:26:55,229 --> 00:26:53,259
echo conscience left also needed to have

682
00:26:56,999 --> 00:26:55,239
more of a kind of plan that would go OK

683
00:26:58,700 --> 00:26:57,009
like this is actually kind of something

684
00:27:01,109 --> 00:26:58,710
that we could work together towards

685
00:27:03,690 --> 00:27:01,119
mm-hmm and you know you mentioned

686
00:27:06,089 --> 00:27:03,700
indigenous people and it's amazing that

687
00:27:07,469 --> 00:27:06,099
you have that context of actually

688
00:27:09,419 --> 00:27:07,479
spending time with them because when

689
00:27:12,629 --> 00:27:09,429
talking about changing the system there

690
00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:12,639
is a fundamental debate over the worst

691
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:14,529
aspects of people greed selfishness

692
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:17,440
jealousy one-upmanship rage all these

693
00:27:22,049 --> 00:27:19,450
sorts of things and the concern seems to

694
00:27:22,409 --> 00:27:22,059
be how much of these traits come out of

695
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:22,419
us

696
00:27:26,489 --> 00:27:24,369
as a result of the system we're in and

697
00:27:28,529 --> 00:27:26,499
would be quelled in a different model or

698
00:27:29,940 --> 00:27:28,539
versus how much of this is just human

699
00:27:32,250 --> 00:27:29,950
nature and we're stuck with

700
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:32,260
did your time with indigenous people

701
00:27:37,050 --> 00:27:34,330
give you any insights there and how

702
00:27:39,780 --> 00:27:37,060
people might behave outside of the

703
00:27:41,540 --> 00:27:39,790
Western system yeah absolutely I think

704
00:27:44,130 --> 00:27:41,550
you know the evidence is very strong

705
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:44,140
that there really isn't any human nature

706
00:27:49,050 --> 00:27:47,290
as such human nature is very malleable

707
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:49,060
and contextual and people will basically

708
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:53,200
do what brings them you know reward in

709
00:27:57,270 --> 00:27:55,120
however that you know however that is

710
00:28:00,030 --> 00:27:57,280
that is constituted and they'll also

711
00:28:01,020 --> 00:28:00,040
seek to do things that have meaning you

712
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:01,030
know that make their lives feel

713
00:28:04,830 --> 00:28:02,770
meaningful you know so in the same

714
00:28:07,530 --> 00:28:04,840
century in 20th century you had Gandhi

715
00:28:10,650 --> 00:28:07,540
getting millions of people in India to

716
00:28:13,470 --> 00:28:10,660
work you know in the such agraja method

717
00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:13,480
of non-violent direct activism you know

718
00:28:17,370 --> 00:28:15,310
actually sitting in front of the guns

719
00:28:19,260 --> 00:28:17,380
and clubs at the colonialists going to

720
00:28:22,410 --> 00:28:19,270
prison to bring about a peaceful

721
00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:22,420
transition and you had Hitler you know

722
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:24,910
telling his followers to perform

723
00:28:29,970 --> 00:28:27,250
genocide against the minority and some

724
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:29,980
Jews and so on so human nature is a vast

725
00:28:35,580 --> 00:28:32,410
spectrum and I think what defines human

726
00:28:37,620 --> 00:28:35,590
nature is yeah like the context and you

727
00:28:39,539 --> 00:28:37,630
know what the society values and

728
00:28:42,210 --> 00:28:39,549
considers meaningful

729
00:28:44,580 --> 00:28:42,220
what one book that I discuss in absolute

730
00:28:47,070 --> 00:28:44,590
was now is by Rebecca Solnit called the

731
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:47,080
paradise built at hell and she went to

732
00:28:51,869 --> 00:28:49,570
the aftermath of any been disaster areas

733
00:28:54,509 --> 00:28:51,879
and basically what she recounted was

734
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:54,519
that when these huge crises yet

735
00:28:58,889 --> 00:28:56,710
immediate crises people actually go into

736
00:29:01,200 --> 00:28:58,899
a mode of extreme altruism and caring

737
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:01,210
for each other and suddenly these sort

738
00:29:05,820 --> 00:29:03,450
of egocentrism the separation just

739
00:29:07,049 --> 00:29:05,830
disappears and they try to figure out

740
00:29:08,220 --> 00:29:07,059
how they can help their neighbor how

741
00:29:10,399 --> 00:29:08,230
they can help their community and she

742
00:29:13,019 --> 00:29:10,409
documents this all around the world and

743
00:29:15,810 --> 00:29:13,029
yes so in a way I think the political

744
00:29:17,930 --> 00:29:15,820
economic system the whole operating

745
00:29:21,180 --> 00:29:17,940
system the window artificially

746
00:29:24,629 --> 00:29:21,190
exacerbates more negative psychology

747
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,639
traits and in a way dampens down or in a

748
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:26,559
pouch was oh but compassion for each

749
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:29,919
other absolutely I definitely agree the

750
00:29:33,749 --> 00:29:31,570
system tends to bring out the worst in

751
00:29:36,509 --> 00:29:33,759
us and it's great to look at indigenous

752
00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:36,519
cultures or compassion in times of

753
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:38,169
disaster and see that it might not have

754
00:29:42,810 --> 00:29:40,570
to be that way but on the subject of new

755
00:29:44,999 --> 00:29:42,820
models you write in the book about your

756
00:29:46,830 --> 00:29:45,009
journey in putting this blueprint

757
00:29:49,109 --> 00:29:46,840
together and that it's something you got

758
00:29:51,299 --> 00:29:49,119
started on during your time at Burning

759
00:29:52,889 --> 00:29:51,309
Man and Burning Man has a sort of

760
00:29:54,869 --> 00:29:52,899
societal structure I hear people

761
00:29:56,940 --> 00:29:54,879
discussing quite a lot as a mainstream

762
00:29:58,979 --> 00:29:56,950
alternative can you tell us a bit about

763
00:30:01,529 --> 00:29:58,989
the way Burning Man operates and how

764
00:30:03,180 --> 00:30:01,539
viable it is to you as a potential new

765
00:30:06,229 --> 00:30:03,190
paradigm do you think it could scale up

766
00:30:09,090 --> 00:30:06,239
or become something more permanent maybe

767
00:30:11,249 --> 00:30:09,100
well I mean early in this conversation I

768
00:30:12,779 --> 00:30:11,259
mentioned the mysteries of a loose

769
00:30:15,060 --> 00:30:12,789
associating mysteries with for this

770
00:30:18,330 --> 00:30:15,070
annual gathering of the kind of

771
00:30:20,609 --> 00:30:18,340
societies elite in ancient Greece I feel

772
00:30:25,019 --> 00:30:20,619
it a weird way Burning Man is like this

773
00:30:28,499 --> 00:30:25,029
strange kind of America rediscovery of

774
00:30:31,049 --> 00:30:28,509
kind of the Center for initiation and

775
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:31,059
mystery you know learning that has many

776
00:30:35,940 --> 00:30:34,720
different aspects and tendencies over

777
00:30:37,619 --> 00:30:35,950
the last years I've also been quite

778
00:30:40,979 --> 00:30:37,629
critical of it I mean it's fascinating

779
00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:40,989
to me that it was kind of once began

780
00:30:45,180 --> 00:30:42,070
maybe thirty years ago

781
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:45,190
barri kind of Outsiders counterculture

782
00:30:51,450 --> 00:30:47,730
artists you know maybe some like

783
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:51,460
Aleister Crowley kind of chaos magicians

784
00:30:55,380 --> 00:30:53,410
or something mm-hmm

785
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:55,390
and now it's attracting the

786
00:31:01,650 --> 00:30:58,240
international jetsetter you know the guy

787
00:31:04,410 --> 00:31:01,660
who started circus Olay former head of

788
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:04,420
MTV you know all the Silicon Valley

789
00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:08,110
executives inherited money you know the

790
00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:11,260
obese accrued that's a lean crowd it's

791
00:31:17,580 --> 00:31:15,190
become kind of a playground for a lot of

792
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:17,590
the wealthiest and most entitled people

793
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:21,010
on the planet who are you know coming

794
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:22,810
there and exploring you know new modes

795
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:25,930
of interaction psychedelic substances

796
00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:29,440
and other drugs and so on but the tenor

797
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,300
of it has suddenly shifted over the

798
00:31:36,420 --> 00:31:33,760
years in a way that I find sometimes

799
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:36,430
kind of confusing what initially

800
00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:37,810
fascinated me about burning that why I

801
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:39,700
joke in my new book that was for me a

802
00:31:43,890 --> 00:31:41,170
little bit like the Paris Commune was

803
00:31:45,450 --> 00:31:43,900
for Marx and Engels was that realization

804
00:31:46,980 --> 00:31:45,460
that you know essentially I was saying

805
00:31:49,260 --> 00:31:46,990
before that human nature is very much a

806
00:31:51,510 --> 00:31:49,270
social construction it is very permeable

807
00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:51,520
and changeable so if you give people a

808
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:54,820
new set of directives that actually make

809
00:31:59,720 --> 00:31:57,010
their lives better they'll adapt to

810
00:32:01,530 --> 00:31:59,730
those directives and new principles

811
00:32:03,540 --> 00:32:01,540
immediately without even thinking about

812
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:03,550
it you know somebody who's been a very

813
00:32:08,940 --> 00:32:06,730
selfish corporate lawyer investment

814
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:08,950
banker goes to Burning Man and suddenly

815
00:32:18,330 --> 00:32:12,610
for them to maximize their own progress

816
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:18,340
they have to share hug everybody share

817
00:32:23,210 --> 00:32:20,290
their drugs you know sharing their RV

818
00:32:25,740 --> 00:32:23,220
share their supplies and they do that

819
00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:25,750
immediately and unthinkably within three

820
00:32:29,910 --> 00:32:27,520
days they're wearing a pink tutus or

821
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:29,920
speeding up the trash or rather cab yeah

822
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:31,090
so for me it was like a really powerful

823
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:34,810
sign that that you know given a system

824
00:32:39,650 --> 00:32:37,690
that rewards different behaviors those

825
00:32:41,910 --> 00:32:39,660
are the behaviors that people will adapt

826
00:32:43,530 --> 00:32:41,920
immediately an unthinking way so I don't

827
00:32:45,270 --> 00:32:43,540
think I think we even have the slightest

828
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:45,280
idea how easy it is to change human

829
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:48,130
nature in that sense that offense yeah

830
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:52,410
yeah well said and you also talked about

831
00:32:57,180 --> 00:32:55,150
Fame a little bit in the book kind of

832
00:32:59,460 --> 00:32:57,190
being thrust into the limelight after

833
00:33:02,550 --> 00:32:59,470
your last book or the last two books

834
00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:02,560
really and you talk about trying to

835
00:33:06,779 --> 00:33:04,780
influence the influencers which i think

836
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:06,789
is a really worthy goal

837
00:33:10,529 --> 00:33:08,559
and it's amazing that you'd have that

838
00:33:12,539 --> 00:33:10,539
opportunity to do that you know moving

839
00:33:14,669 --> 00:33:12,549
in some of these Hollywood circles

840
00:33:16,889 --> 00:33:14,679
talking to some of these Silicon Valley

841
00:33:18,930 --> 00:33:16,899
tech billionaires and just the people

842
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:18,940
who have you know gravitated to you

843
00:33:22,979 --> 00:33:20,769
since they've read your previous work

844
00:33:25,109 --> 00:33:22,989
how has that process gone do you think

845
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:25,119
you've done some good and influencing

846
00:33:33,170 --> 00:33:31,290
those influencers I don't know I mean uh

847
00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:33,180
[Music]

848
00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:35,640
you know I definitely feel that among

849
00:33:41,540 --> 00:33:38,220
these illegal groups there are a number

850
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,550
of like evolving conversations there a

851
00:33:46,340 --> 00:33:42,960
lot of people who are you know

852
00:33:53,270 --> 00:33:46,350
undergoing their own journey of self

853
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:53,280
exploration revolution yeah I can't say

854
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:55,530
to what he said I mean I guess you know

855
00:33:59,090 --> 00:33:56,970
I know for instance that I had a great

856
00:34:03,740 --> 00:33:59,100
influence I bet I would say I'm Russell

857
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:03,750
brands you know because yeah he sought

858
00:34:08,990 --> 00:34:05,370
me out after he saw the documentary that

859
00:34:11,020 --> 00:34:09,000
I made after 2012 Brooke and I think he

860
00:34:13,610 --> 00:34:11,030
was looking for a way to put together

861
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:13,620
kind of the spiritual development who's

862
00:34:20,330 --> 00:34:16,050
undergoing and the kind of left-wing

863
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,340
political impulse they had but I think

864
00:34:26,930 --> 00:34:23,040
that my work helped him yeah kind of

865
00:34:30,140 --> 00:34:26,940
integrate political left ideas

866
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:30,150
spirituality and the ecology again they

867
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:31,410
were a few chapters about me and his

868
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:34,410
book revolution and we had a series of

869
00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:36,210
discussions and then he also started

870
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:37,500
this thing called The Trews he was doing

871
00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:40,050
these daily video broadcasts but in some

872
00:34:44,870 --> 00:34:42,780
ways I felt that you know he took ideas

873
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:44,880
that I had and maybe other people also

874
00:34:49,820 --> 00:34:47,370
had and he was like this vast human

875
00:34:52,460 --> 00:34:49,830
megaphone because of his you know

876
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:52,470
celebrity and charisma he was suddenly

877
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:54,480
able to get those ideas out to millions

878
00:35:00,140 --> 00:34:57,210
of people and actually was quite amazing

879
00:35:03,050 --> 00:35:00,150
to see the impact that just him alone

880
00:35:05,330 --> 00:35:03,060
doing videos on his own in his bathroom

881
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:05,340
in his home you know where we're

882
00:35:10,070 --> 00:35:06,570
creating these ripples throughout

883
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:10,080
English society yeah I mean it's

884
00:35:13,580 --> 00:35:11,610
definitely important to spread those

885
00:35:16,070 --> 00:35:13,590
positive ideas to the people who can

886
00:35:17,630 --> 00:35:16,080
amplify the message and you also write

887
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:17,640
about it just seems like you've also had

888
00:35:23,540 --> 00:35:20,690
some really fun experiences some real

889
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:23,550
bucket-list type of things one I thought

890
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:26,370
was pretty amazing is chartering a

891
00:35:30,140 --> 00:35:28,290
helicopter was staying in his family

892
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:30,150
over crop circles in England looking for

893
00:35:35,870 --> 00:35:32,790
extraterrestrials that sounds pretty

894
00:35:38,180 --> 00:35:35,880
great yeah well I've been in the in the

895
00:35:41,690 --> 00:35:38,190
2012 book one of the subjects that I

896
00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:41,700
focused on and actually took seriously

897
00:35:46,990 --> 00:35:44,310
was the crop circles and I found myself

898
00:35:50,610 --> 00:35:47,000
in like an interesting group

899
00:35:53,950 --> 00:35:50,620
I have no kind of institutional support

900
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,960
behind me and I'm not beholden to any

901
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:56,000
like you know academic institution or

902
00:36:01,350 --> 00:35:58,490
whatever so I mean after breaking up in

903
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:01,360
the head when I explored psychedelics

904
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:04,130
which is that for the network about 2002

905
00:36:08,020 --> 00:36:06,170
psychedelics were still totally

906
00:36:11,410 --> 00:36:08,030
suppressed and ridiculed in the

907
00:36:12,970 --> 00:36:11,420
mainstream culture really derided he

908
00:36:14,830 --> 00:36:12,980
couldn't talk about them seriously you

909
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:14,840
know in the media circles that I was

910
00:36:19,630 --> 00:36:17,930
part of in New York and you know

911
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:19,640
realizing you know discovering that they

912
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:22,730
were incredibly important catalytic

913
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:27,290
agents for self discovery and so on then

914
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:28,850
seeing the gap between what our society

915
00:36:33,310 --> 00:36:31,040
had to say about them and the reality

916
00:36:36,250 --> 00:36:33,320
made me then be willing to question

917
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:36,260
almost everything that our society says

918
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:39,650
is true or holds dear and while I was

919
00:36:44,050 --> 00:36:41,890
you know sort of looking around for

920
00:36:46,180 --> 00:36:44,060
maybe other correlates of the

921
00:36:48,910 --> 00:36:46,190
psychedelic experience in the physical

922
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:48,920
world I discovered that the crop circle

923
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:51,770
phenomenon was happening grew and ended

924
00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:54,320
up spending a whole summer in England I

925
00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:57,110
mean 2003 I think it was researching

926
00:37:01,600 --> 00:36:58,850
them in depth and going to all the new

927
00:37:03,130 --> 00:37:01,610
ones that appeared and so on and yeah

928
00:37:05,290 --> 00:37:03,140
I'm probably right about 800 pages of

929
00:37:07,450 --> 00:37:05,300
about them in the 2012 book and you know

930
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:07,460
in the end I I do actually think that

931
00:37:13,420 --> 00:37:09,710
it's like I guess I would say that I

932
00:37:15,130 --> 00:37:13,430
believe that the crop circles are you

933
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:15,140
know some of them are communication from

934
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:17,210
a nonhuman form of consciousness or

935
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:20,690
galactic level of intelligence that is

936
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,250
giving us you know some interesting

937
00:37:27,730 --> 00:37:24,560
messages and ideas hell yeah man

938
00:37:30,430 --> 00:37:27,740
absolutely and that gets right into one

939
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:30,440
of the weirder aspects and probably my

940
00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:33,200
favorite line in your new book is I have

941
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:35,150
been primarily focused on the material

942
00:37:39,850 --> 00:37:37,850
and tangible aspects of our plight but I

943
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:39,860
think we should consider also the occult

944
00:37:45,070 --> 00:37:42,320
or invisible forces that may be involved

945
00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:45,080
very provocative and the influence of

946
00:37:49,420 --> 00:37:47,390
unseen forces is one of my favorite

947
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:49,430
things to ponder outside of crop circles

948
00:37:54,460 --> 00:37:51,110
what are your thoughts on the extent of

949
00:37:57,310 --> 00:37:54,470
this otherworldly influence in what

950
00:37:58,990 --> 00:37:57,320
sense what do you mean well a lot of

951
00:38:00,880 --> 00:37:59,000
people in the mainstream doubt it exists

952
00:38:02,620 --> 00:38:00,890
at all and then you have some people

953
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:02,630
some authors like Peter Levin de who

954
00:38:06,670 --> 00:38:04,730
think that it actually plays a huge role

955
00:38:09,130 --> 00:38:06,680
that there's probably spiritual forces

956
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:09,140
that have little puppet strings attached

957
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:11,210
to us creating synchronicities here and

958
00:38:15,220 --> 00:38:13,040
there and so there's a sliding scale

959
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:15,230
between not believing it exists at all

960
00:38:19,780 --> 00:38:17,210
and thinking that it has quite a bit of

961
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:19,790
influence over our 3d reality I wonder

962
00:38:28,220 --> 00:38:26,210
where you lie on that spectrum yeah well

963
00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:28,230
I guess

964
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:34,710
sort of like the dentist Eastern

965
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:36,810
mysticism which kind of ultimately

966
00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:38,930
argues there's sort of one consciousness

967
00:38:43,310 --> 00:38:41,460
underlying everything that we experience

968
00:38:45,170 --> 00:38:43,320
is separate phenomena mm-hmm

969
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:45,180
constructing the illusion of the

970
00:38:50,359 --> 00:38:48,210
material world in order to explore its

971
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:50,369
infinite you know creative capacity is

972
00:38:55,940 --> 00:38:54,480
and you know bilities and so on and

973
00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:55,950
there also seems to be many different

974
00:38:58,700 --> 00:38:57,480
dimensions of space-time

975
00:39:01,940 --> 00:38:58,710
according to seven physicists there's

976
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:01,950
like ten of them and the fourth

977
00:39:05,570 --> 00:39:03,930
dimension that we're in is where you

978
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:05,580
could have you know physical eyes the

979
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:09,090
materiality we don't really know how

980
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:13,170
some type of separate entity might exist

981
00:39:19,550 --> 00:39:16,560
in a higher dimension but assuming it

982
00:39:22,849 --> 00:39:19,560
can then yeah I mean those higher

983
00:39:26,140 --> 00:39:22,859
dimensional entities could definitely be

984
00:39:28,460 --> 00:39:26,150
you know playing with our time and space

985
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:28,470
you know rearranging it for all we know

986
00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:29,760
because they could pass through the past

987
00:39:34,490 --> 00:39:32,280
as well as the future you know so when

988
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:34,500
we're experiencing sort of plotting that

989
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:37,170
you know linear kind of thing we're like

990
00:39:41,060 --> 00:39:39,510
these ping-pong balls be like buffeted

991
00:39:42,380 --> 00:39:41,070
through a wind tunnel through a higher

992
00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:42,390
dimension they can see the whole wind

993
00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:43,740
tunnel you know they can see the whole

994
00:39:49,250 --> 00:39:45,780
progression of what's happening mm-hmm

995
00:39:51,220 --> 00:39:49,260
so yeah I think it's quite you know

996
00:39:53,870 --> 00:39:51,230
likely that there are these other occult

997
00:39:57,380 --> 00:39:53,880
powers I mean I really love the work of

998
00:40:00,080 --> 00:39:57,390
Rudolf Steiner who's anthroposophy was a

999
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:00,090
visionary thinker who when he was young

1000
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,130
was able to see these other dimensions

1001
00:40:06,650 --> 00:40:05,280
what's called the Akashic record and he

1002
00:40:08,530 --> 00:40:06,660
tried to elaborate like a whole

1003
00:40:11,020 --> 00:40:08,540
spiritual cosmology with this different

1004
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:11,030
forces and powers and you know I think

1005
00:40:15,230 --> 00:40:12,930
you know you could look at all these

1006
00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:15,240
different attempts to figure out the

1007
00:40:20,780 --> 00:40:18,180
cult systems you know they're just ways

1008
00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:20,790
of articulation if they're necessarily

1009
00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:23,640
what is truer than that were less true I

1010
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:26,220
mean they're they're like interfaces you

1011
00:40:30,140 --> 00:40:28,650
know of language and thought that helped

1012
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:30,150
us to make sense of what might be

1013
00:40:33,950 --> 00:40:32,609
happening and Snider's is one of the

1014
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:33,960
people that i found very valuable for

1015
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:35,130
that

1016
00:40:39,830 --> 00:40:38,490
yeah fair point and you know I don't

1017
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:39,840
want to make this about shallow things

1018
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,910
when we're talking about stuff that's so

1019
00:40:45,770 --> 00:40:43,680
epic the nature of our reality and the

1020
00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:45,780
crisis that we're in but you also talk

1021
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:49,500
about some of those wild experiences and

1022
00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:51,960
having the popularity and lifestyle that

1023
00:40:56,540 --> 00:40:53,160
you've experienced and I think a lot of

1024
00:40:59,300 --> 00:40:56,550
people fantasize about having that and

1025
00:41:01,250 --> 00:40:59,310
having lived it did you learn anything

1026
00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:01,260
from the sudden thrust into the

1027
00:41:04,460 --> 00:41:03,000
limelight that might be helpful for

1028
00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:04,470
people listening was it different than

1029
00:41:07,340 --> 00:41:05,940
you expected in any way are there any

1030
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:07,350
insights you could share from such a

1031
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:11,520
unique series of events uh yeah I don't

1032
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:14,610
you know I would say that you know I

1033
00:41:21,170 --> 00:41:18,060
mean a celebrity you know or among

1034
00:41:23,090 --> 00:41:21,180
certain groups you know I mean not like

1035
00:41:25,279 --> 00:41:23,100
staying obviously a Russell Brand or

1036
00:41:30,739 --> 00:41:25,289
something

1037
00:41:32,849 --> 00:41:30,749
um well I definitely learned that and

1038
00:41:34,109 --> 00:41:32,859
maybe also this my subject was so

1039
00:41:35,999 --> 00:41:34,119
controversial and I've talked about

1040
00:41:37,859 --> 00:41:36,009
prophecies my own visionary experiences

1041
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:37,869
I learned that one becomes the subject

1042
00:41:44,939 --> 00:41:41,529
of a lot of projections and some of it

1043
00:41:48,569 --> 00:41:44,949
can be very kind of you know hurtful and

1044
00:41:49,739 --> 00:41:48,579
hostile and difficult to find integrate

1045
00:41:52,620 --> 00:41:49,749
you know because you're seeing these

1046
00:41:58,319 --> 00:41:52,630
like yeah different people's projections

1047
00:42:00,120 --> 00:41:58,329
onto you and so on you know I also I

1048
00:42:01,739 --> 00:42:00,130
mean it's been very interesting to me

1049
00:42:04,529 --> 00:42:01,749
that's so much about this current

1050
00:42:08,209 --> 00:42:04,539
election has revolved around sexuality

1051
00:42:11,449 --> 00:42:08,219
and gender and I mean you know that's

1052
00:42:15,179 --> 00:42:11,459
another area where I had you know some

1053
00:42:16,919 --> 00:42:15,189
experience how old I mean it's you know

1054
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:16,929
when you when you're a man and you're

1055
00:42:23,219 --> 00:42:20,319
suddenly prominence in a way you know

1056
00:42:26,399 --> 00:42:23,229
you suddenly have opportunities that

1057
00:42:27,659 --> 00:42:26,409
didn't exist before and in a way it's

1058
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:27,669
kind of ridiculous because you're

1059
00:42:33,509 --> 00:42:30,130
exactly the same person that you were

1060
00:42:36,419 --> 00:42:33,519
but suddenly you know women react to you

1061
00:42:39,419 --> 00:42:36,429
in a different way a lot of new sexual

1062
00:42:41,909 --> 00:42:39,429
currency yeah and so some of the book is

1063
00:42:43,489 --> 00:42:41,919
a kind of rumination and then you know I

1064
00:42:47,279 --> 00:42:43,499
feel in some ways I had my own

1065
00:42:49,799 --> 00:42:47,289
maturities and kind of you know unmet

1066
00:42:52,589 --> 00:42:49,809
desires and satisfactions that sort of

1067
00:42:54,179 --> 00:42:52,599
came out once I had opportunities and

1068
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:54,189
had before so you know it's interesting

1069
00:42:58,859 --> 00:42:56,650
for me having had that experience also

1070
00:43:00,509 --> 00:42:58,869
getting some flack for it and then

1071
00:43:02,609 --> 00:43:00,519
seeing you know what's happening what

1072
00:43:06,779 --> 00:43:02,619
happened in this campaign with you know

1073
00:43:09,169 --> 00:43:06,789
obviously Trump Bill Clinton in the in

1074
00:43:12,269 --> 00:43:09,179
the backgrounds and his de Payens

1075
00:43:15,630 --> 00:43:12,279
Anthony Weiner you know and Roger Ailes

1076
00:43:20,370 --> 00:43:15,640
was the former a head of Fox who I just

1077
00:43:23,009 --> 00:43:20,380
got taken down I mean you know it's a

1078
00:43:27,539 --> 00:43:23,019
it's still a very intricate and delicate

1079
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:27,549
you know cultural area and I think it's

1080
00:43:31,799 --> 00:43:30,130
something that has to also you know if

1081
00:43:34,169 --> 00:43:31,809
you shed more light on that I mean in

1082
00:43:35,429 --> 00:43:34,179
the book I kind of really make a you

1083
00:43:36,329 --> 00:43:35,439
know as I said what I'm trying to do in

1084
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:36,339
the book is think looking things

1085
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:37,609
systemically

1086
00:43:43,749 --> 00:43:40,910
and our culture of you know love and

1087
00:43:47,499 --> 00:43:43,759
sexuality is also part of this current

1088
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:47,509
operating system where it's you know

1089
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:50,720
competitive system you know I think I

1090
00:43:57,660 --> 00:43:55,130
think women are forced into kind of

1091
00:43:59,920 --> 00:43:57,670
operating with a lot of anxiety and fear

1092
00:44:02,170 --> 00:43:59,930
because you know if they're gonna have

1093
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,180
children they need to have a monogamous

1094
00:44:06,099 --> 00:44:04,400
you know more or less family unit for

1095
00:44:08,229 --> 00:44:06,109
most of their adult lives or they're

1096
00:44:10,299 --> 00:44:08,239
kind of left with this huge burden of

1097
00:44:12,940 --> 00:44:10,309
child care and so on so in the book I

1098
00:44:14,609 --> 00:44:12,950
look at some other models like in this

1099
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:14,619
community in Portugal called Samara

1100
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:17,529
which is basically a community that's

1101
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:21,170
seeking that you you know create a more

1102
00:44:25,089 --> 00:44:23,210
peaceful world and basically they

1103
00:44:28,539 --> 00:44:25,099
believe that finding peace between the

1104
00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:28,549
genders and love and sexuality is key to

1105
00:44:32,410 --> 00:44:30,460
you know creating peace on earth and

1106
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:32,420
they've actually developed been a

1107
00:44:37,989 --> 00:44:36,049
rigorous alternative social design that

1108
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:37,999
allows for you know non possessive

1109
00:44:44,019 --> 00:44:40,609
transparent relationships that are

1110
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:44,029
founded and Trust mm-hmm yeah and maybe

1111
00:44:48,130 --> 00:44:45,650
we can get into that a little bit deeper

1112
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:48,140
because you do talk about things in the

1113
00:44:52,569 --> 00:44:50,450
book like evolving beyond the nuclear

1114
00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:52,579
family model and I think that's a pretty

1115
00:44:56,019 --> 00:44:54,440
radical proposition for a lot of people

1116
00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:56,029
I think they might consider that to be a

1117
00:45:00,130 --> 00:44:58,249
bit out there but there are other ways

1118
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:00,140
of doing things other ways to raise

1119
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:02,450
children and form relationships have you

1120
00:45:06,460 --> 00:45:04,970
seen any other models in effect when it

1121
00:45:07,749 --> 00:45:06,470
comes to the tribes you have spent a

1122
00:45:10,420 --> 00:45:07,759
little time with I mean I'm sure you've

1123
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:10,430
seen some stuff but have you noticed any

1124
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:12,410
differences in their relationships or

1125
00:45:16,299 --> 00:45:14,569
child-rearing and the effects on their

1126
00:45:18,420 --> 00:45:16,309
greater society that we could contrast

1127
00:45:21,099 --> 00:45:18,430
with how Westerners typically do things

1128
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:21,109
it's actually interested in the tribal

1129
00:45:25,029 --> 00:45:23,690
groups that I visited and first of all

1130
00:45:26,529 --> 00:45:25,039
I'm not an anthropologist it's not like

1131
00:45:28,359 --> 00:45:26,539
I spend like months and months like

1132
00:45:30,279 --> 00:45:28,369
really investigating that you know how

1133
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:30,289
they met beloved sexuality or whatever I

1134
00:45:34,569 --> 00:45:32,569
was pretty short visits but you know I

1135
00:45:38,140 --> 00:45:34,579
would say still those cultures for

1136
00:45:39,759 --> 00:45:38,150
whatever reason that you know and I

1137
00:45:41,650 --> 00:45:39,769
can't even really say that I don't have

1138
00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:41,660
enough insight to be honest I mean the

1139
00:45:46,789 --> 00:45:45,420
Kogi in the Arawak who I worked with

1140
00:45:49,789 --> 00:45:46,799
there definitely were you know some

1141
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:49,799
seemed like very settled couples the

1142
00:45:55,460 --> 00:45:52,650
elders were in federal units if you read

1143
00:45:58,180 --> 00:45:55,470
the books exit dawn a very popular book

1144
00:46:00,200 --> 00:45:58,190
on the subject they kind of review

1145
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:00,210
different indigenous cultures around the

1146
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:02,730
world who do have a radically different

1147
00:46:07,819 --> 00:46:05,089
practices you know some that guarantee

1148
00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:07,829
sexual freedom to young girls and women

1149
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:11,400
and so on China and so on and they argue

1150
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:14,089
that in Indo Matic tribal societies

1151
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:16,410
sexuality was mostly loose ler who was

1152
00:46:23,660 --> 00:46:18,930
servant at multi partner relationships

1153
00:46:25,220 --> 00:46:23,670
were often common you know so so I think

1154
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:25,230
it was just a looser that I feel this

1155
00:46:31,250 --> 00:46:27,920
like stricter um you know possessive

1156
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:31,260
monogamy developed you know because it

1157
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:34,319
was necessary to support a regime of

1158
00:46:42,109 --> 00:46:37,920
property rights and such how a you know

1159
00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:42,119
a whole repressive culture yeah oh I get

1160
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:43,980
that for us marriage is as much a

1161
00:46:48,289 --> 00:46:45,890
business partnership as anything

1162
00:46:50,420 --> 00:46:48,299
economic seems to be the most popular

1163
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:50,430
reason for divorce and the most popular

1164
00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:53,250
reason to stay together but another

1165
00:46:58,339 --> 00:46:55,140
thing that you talk about in the book is

1166
00:47:00,260 --> 00:46:58,349
the ridicule you received post 2012 and

1167
00:47:02,569 --> 00:47:00,270
I definitely believe that when I made

1168
00:47:05,150 --> 00:47:02,579
mention that I was having you on I got

1169
00:47:07,730 --> 00:47:05,160
several responses that were like oh the

1170
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,740
2012 guy and it is a little shitty to

1171
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,599
reduce someone down to just one thing

1172
00:47:13,460 --> 00:47:11,520
but you know doubt rose in the

1173
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,470
counterculture because of that book I'm

1174
00:47:18,170 --> 00:47:15,839
curious how you feel about 2012 now

1175
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:18,180
looking back do you see that it was a

1176
00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:20,040
period of change is it a window that's

1177
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:22,440
still open did Quetzalcoatl make a

1178
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,510
return

1179
00:47:28,820 --> 00:47:27,119
well I mean I honestly you know

1180
00:47:30,530 --> 00:47:28,830
completely stand by everything that I

1181
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:30,540
wrote from the book which I just feel

1182
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:35,460
you know people created a once again a

1183
00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:37,530
projection you know right without

1184
00:47:40,940 --> 00:47:38,760
actually having done the work of reading

1185
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:40,950
what I say or watching the film xx call

1186
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:43,650
time for change which came out in 2010

1187
00:47:46,940 --> 00:47:45,170
[Music]

1188
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:46,950
few years after the book and basically

1189
00:47:52,010 --> 00:47:49,970
we argued in that film was like you know

1190
00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:52,020
these prophecies are pointing towards

1191
00:47:56,750 --> 00:47:53,640
this being a type of incredible

1192
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:56,760
transformation but we look around we see

1193
00:48:00,290 --> 00:47:58,050
that's happening you know in the one

1194
00:48:01,670 --> 00:48:00,300
hands we've created a planetary

1195
00:48:04,099 --> 00:48:01,680
civilization where we're totally

1196
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,109
connected and another hand we're having

1197
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:06,480
this rapid evolution of technologies

1198
00:48:12,290 --> 00:48:08,730
particularly communications and social

1199
00:48:14,540 --> 00:48:12,300
tools and then we've also poisoned the

1200
00:48:17,470 --> 00:48:14,550
planet and are causing a psychological

1201
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:17,480
meltdown and then also the sort of

1202
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:20,400
realization that all these esoteric and

1203
00:48:24,349 --> 00:48:21,930
mystical traditions around the world are

1204
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:24,359
very congruent with each other and

1205
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:28,400
actually also you know mesh well with

1206
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:30,510
discoveries in quantum physics

1207
00:48:35,690 --> 00:48:33,000
contemporary two-step reason in science

1208
00:48:39,260 --> 00:48:35,700
so for me those are all aspects of this

1209
00:48:41,300 --> 00:48:39,270
emergence your new situation right I

1210
00:48:44,060 --> 00:48:41,310
never said that December 21st one film

1211
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:44,070
was going to be anything I couldn't rule

1212
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,050
out that you know something might happen

1213
00:48:51,830 --> 00:48:48,720
or solar flares or something but it

1214
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:51,840
seemed more like the Long Count calendar

1215
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,720
was pointing towards and the completion

1216
00:48:59,240 --> 00:48:56,880
of a cycle the beginning of but you talk

1217
00:49:01,310 --> 00:48:59,250
about a liminal space maybe were walking

1218
00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:01,320
between the worlds which is maybe where

1219
00:49:06,590 --> 00:49:03,420
we're in right now but it was very

1220
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:06,600
saddening for me to see not only the

1221
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:09,119
mainstream media kind of intentionally

1222
00:49:14,650 --> 00:49:11,970
distorting what I had to say but then

1223
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:14,660
also people just you know being ready to

1224
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:17,850
accept those distortions and dismiss the

1225
00:49:20,410 --> 00:49:19,290
work with it without actually looking at

1226
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:20,420
it

1227
00:49:27,069 --> 00:49:25,369
know your deep thoughts reduced to just

1228
00:49:29,979 --> 00:49:27,079
a few sentences but that's why I mention

1229
00:49:31,930 --> 00:49:29,989
it as a window because it was about was

1230
00:49:34,930 --> 00:49:31,940
and is about more than just a particular

1231
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:34,940
day but you know being four years past

1232
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:37,970
that point do you think it has been the

1233
00:49:41,979 --> 00:49:39,710
type of transition you expected have

1234
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:41,989
things unfolded as you might have

1235
00:49:47,259 --> 00:49:45,049
thought or does it seem like we're kind

1236
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:47,269
of going full steam ahead the direction

1237
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:49,730
we were going and obviously that's not

1238
00:49:55,029 --> 00:49:53,089
good yeah I mean you know individually

1239
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:55,039
among many people that I meet that I

1240
00:49:59,739 --> 00:49:57,170
know and that I care about you know I

1241
00:50:02,319 --> 00:49:59,749
feel there's a lot of evolution and

1242
00:50:06,460 --> 00:50:02,329
development and awakening look you know

1243
00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:06,470
I suppose I you know hope or prayer

1244
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:09,470
would have been that there would have

1245
00:50:14,890 --> 00:50:11,690
been a larger social process of

1246
00:50:17,650 --> 00:50:14,900
reckoning with the destructive nature of

1247
00:50:19,529 --> 00:50:17,660
our current society and it does seem

1248
00:50:22,799 --> 00:50:19,539
instead you know as the Trump victory

1249
00:50:26,529 --> 00:50:22,809
now you can suggest that that is just

1250
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:26,539
full steam ahead and you know it leads

1251
00:50:32,349 --> 00:50:29,839
me to wonder yeah what the eventual end

1252
00:50:34,420 --> 00:50:32,359
point will be I mean you know maybe

1253
00:50:36,279 --> 00:50:34,430
humanity is not meant to be of the earth

1254
00:50:38,410 --> 00:50:36,289
much longer in physical form you know

1255
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:38,420
maybe maybe we're gonna undergo a

1256
00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:41,839
collective catastrophe that will push us

1257
00:50:44,769 --> 00:50:43,369
all together on the astral plane okay I

1258
00:50:47,859 --> 00:50:44,779
don't want to work things out in a

1259
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:47,869
different dimension or something I have

1260
00:50:55,900 --> 00:50:51,529
no clue how things will unfold but I do

1261
00:50:58,900 --> 00:50:55,910
tend to think that you know successive

1262
00:51:00,559 --> 00:50:58,910
Trump is somehow part of a company and

1263
00:51:03,319 --> 00:51:00,569
so kind of like

1264
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:03,329
overtly almost like like it like a dream

1265
00:51:08,659 --> 00:51:05,609
event you know like the trump card being

1266
00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:08,669
played yeah you know the Joker the deck

1267
00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:11,369
or something so we're kind of now in

1268
00:51:15,189 --> 00:51:13,169
this real you know where this little zoo

1269
00:51:18,169 --> 00:51:15,199
and we're walking between the worlds and

1270
00:51:19,939 --> 00:51:18,179
there might be a 10 or 15 or 20 year

1271
00:51:22,969 --> 00:51:19,949
process where we get from one to the

1272
00:51:25,419 --> 00:51:22,979
next you know I have had the feeling or

1273
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,429
the belief I put it out as an idea that

1274
00:51:29,749 --> 00:51:27,599
there's kind of a shift in the nature of

1275
00:51:31,969 --> 00:51:29,759
a psyche happening where people who are

1276
00:51:33,529 --> 00:51:31,979
sensitive and open to it are finding

1277
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:33,539
that reality is a little bit more

1278
00:51:38,289 --> 00:51:36,569
psychically malleable than before that

1279
00:51:42,019 --> 00:51:38,299
things like synchronicities and

1280
00:51:43,909 --> 00:51:42,029
telepathic events and so on you know

1281
00:51:46,699 --> 00:51:43,919
happen with more ease and with more

1282
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:46,709
frequency almost as if the whole the

1283
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:49,169
whole field of the psyche is evolving or

1284
00:51:55,209 --> 00:51:51,569
amping up mm-hmm

1285
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:55,219
and I do love how you equate this to a

1286
00:51:59,900 --> 00:51:57,839
collective rite of passage I mean I

1287
00:52:02,839 --> 00:51:59,910
think symbolically that makes a whole

1288
00:52:05,209 --> 00:52:02,849
lot of sense but the thing that you know

1289
00:52:06,829 --> 00:52:05,219
I would never deny climate change I'm

1290
00:52:08,899 --> 00:52:06,839
not definitely not one of those guys

1291
00:52:11,859 --> 00:52:08,909
like the one who just got elected but

1292
00:52:14,749 --> 00:52:11,869
can we even parse out how much of it is

1293
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,759
from us and how much of it is part of a

1294
00:52:17,959 --> 00:52:16,559
natural cycle because you know you'll

1295
00:52:21,259 --> 00:52:17,969
hear people say oh well we haven't had

1296
00:52:23,059 --> 00:52:21,269
this much co2 in 150 million years well

1297
00:52:24,169 --> 00:52:23,069
we weren't driving cars then or you can

1298
00:52:27,219 --> 00:52:24,179
say oh you haven't had this kind of

1299
00:52:29,419 --> 00:52:27,229
methane since 250 million years ago well

1300
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:29,429
that kind of stuff makes me think it's

1301
00:52:33,609 --> 00:52:32,249
part of a natural cycle I'd really not

1302
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:33,619
educated enough to know but

1303
00:52:38,089 --> 00:52:35,729
acknowledging that things are changing

1304
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:38,099
how do we parse out what we've been able

1305
00:52:43,370 --> 00:52:40,049
to influence and what's kind of bigger

1306
00:52:47,140 --> 00:52:43,380
than us yeah well so you know I

1307
00:52:50,989 --> 00:52:47,150
definitely feel it's you know I mean

1308
00:52:53,499 --> 00:52:50,999
there's a few levels there I mean a you

1309
00:52:57,380 --> 00:52:53,509
know on one level there there are people

1310
00:53:00,859 --> 00:52:57,390
you know you sort of on the leftist or

1311
00:53:03,229 --> 00:53:00,869
the conspiratorial you know side who are

1312
00:53:06,349 --> 00:53:03,239
dubious about the impacts were having

1313
00:53:07,849 --> 00:53:06,359
other planets and having really looked

1314
00:53:09,859 --> 00:53:07,859
into it and you know being open to

1315
00:53:11,149 --> 00:53:09,869
conspiratorial ideas and so on but you

1316
00:53:12,050 --> 00:53:11,159
know having studied as much as I could

1317
00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:12,060
and

1318
00:53:18,430 --> 00:53:15,420
it feels pretty ironclad like the

1319
00:53:20,420 --> 00:53:18,440
science feels pretty decisive you know

1320
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:20,430
parts per million of co2 in the

1321
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:22,890
atmosphere equate to a heat trapping

1322
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:26,010
effect that you know changes conditions

1323
00:53:31,310 --> 00:53:28,710
that we're putting a million tons of co2

1324
00:53:34,210 --> 00:53:31,320
into the atmosphere every hour through

1325
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:34,220
our industries and planes and cars and

1326
00:53:39,950 --> 00:53:37,920
that's having a big impact during the

1327
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:39,960
ocean acidification the entire world's

1328
00:53:46,820 --> 00:53:42,450
ocean this giant body of water

1329
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:46,830
our 40% sorry 30% more acidic they were

1330
00:53:50,020 --> 00:53:48,570
40 years ago 40 percent more sitting

1331
00:53:52,550 --> 00:53:50,030
there were 30 years in our thickness and

1332
00:53:55,310 --> 00:53:52,560
that's because they absorb a huge amount

1333
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:55,320
of this excess co2 that were created and

1334
00:53:59,300 --> 00:53:56,880
that's leading to all sorts of

1335
00:54:01,640 --> 00:53:59,310
breakdowns in the ocean life cycle so

1336
00:54:04,310 --> 00:54:01,650
you know these are now very measurable

1337
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,320
things and I find it quite strange that

1338
00:54:08,540 --> 00:54:06,000
people who are on like this kind of

1339
00:54:11,180 --> 00:54:08,550
conspiratorial progressive left I have

1340
00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:11,190
the sort of cryptic almost desire to not

1341
00:54:15,950 --> 00:54:13,140
believe anything in the mainstream story

1342
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:15,960
and to dismiss this stuff in a way now

1343
00:54:20,180 --> 00:54:19,110
yes at the same time I mean I guess in a

1344
00:54:22,460 --> 00:54:20,190
way one thing that I argue in the book

1345
00:54:24,830 --> 00:54:22,470
is that you know we believe that we've

1346
00:54:26,570 --> 00:54:24,840
separated from nature we believe that

1347
00:54:27,470 --> 00:54:26,580
somehow we're above or outside of nature

1348
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:27,480
but actually we're not

1349
00:54:32,930 --> 00:54:30,210
we are totally nature doing its thing

1350
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:32,940
you know just on another level and so

1351
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:34,770
you look around the whole solar sister

1352
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:37,110
but there seems to be different changes

1353
00:54:42,410 --> 00:54:39,330
taking place like planets developing

1354
00:54:44,060 --> 00:54:42,420
atmospheres and I think Jupiter lost

1355
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:44,070
sort of its spots and so on I mean that

1356
00:54:48,140 --> 00:54:46,050
you know one theory according to this

1357
00:54:50,180 --> 00:54:48,150
Russian cosmos is assists Dmitri of is

1358
00:54:52,100 --> 00:54:50,190
that the whole solar system is going

1359
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:52,110
through an energetic transition to a

1360
00:54:57,290 --> 00:54:54,570
higher energy state right because we're

1361
00:54:59,540 --> 00:54:57,300
passing through and of cosmic energy or

1362
00:55:02,720 --> 00:54:59,550
something and it may be that this you

1363
00:55:05,690 --> 00:55:02,730
know rapid industrialisation the super

1364
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:05,700
push towards hyper technologies is just

1365
00:55:10,340 --> 00:55:08,400
how humans are transducing this larger

1366
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:10,350
frequency effects that's happening in a

1367
00:55:16,220 --> 00:55:13,440
cosmos around us now having said that

1368
00:55:19,340 --> 00:55:16,230
it's still the case that we're the ones

1369
00:55:21,110 --> 00:55:19,350
who are emitting and transforming and

1370
00:55:23,540 --> 00:55:21,120
destroying you know the Earth's natural

1371
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:23,550
ecology and if we do want to have a

1372
00:55:26,849 --> 00:55:25,210
tenure on this planet

1373
00:55:29,010 --> 00:55:26,859
we have to stop doing that we have to

1374
00:55:32,490 --> 00:55:29,020
figure out how we use our intellects and

1375
00:55:34,890 --> 00:55:32,500
our technical capacities to create a

1376
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:34,900
different system a regenerative system

1377
00:55:39,150 --> 00:55:37,200
that actually replenishes the

1378
00:55:42,690 --> 00:55:39,160
biodiversity and the strength of the

1379
00:55:45,780 --> 00:55:42,700
Earth's systems so I don't think there's

1380
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:45,790
a contradiction there it's just it's

1381
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,200
like whatever I really looked into in

1382
00:55:51,210 --> 00:55:49,599
the 2012 book is you know what I think

1383
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,220
about what you know I say there's a

1384
00:55:55,410 --> 00:55:53,200
change of consciousness or like you know

1385
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:55,420
the emergence of a new consciousness the

1386
00:55:59,880 --> 00:55:57,490
the subtle aspect of it is kind of the

1387
00:56:02,190 --> 00:55:59,890
ability to handle both sides of a

1388
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:02,200
paradox or contradiction without

1389
00:56:07,380 --> 00:56:05,200
collapsing to diametrically into one or

1390
00:56:09,420 --> 00:56:07,390
the other you know holding the space of

1391
00:56:11,250 --> 00:56:09,430
paradox is part of that new

1392
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:11,260
consciousness you recognizing that you

1393
00:56:15,780 --> 00:56:12,970
know as much as the ecological crisis is

1394
00:56:17,849 --> 00:56:15,790
totally a made thing you know it's also

1395
00:56:19,890 --> 00:56:17,859
part of a larger natural and cosmic

1396
00:56:23,220 --> 00:56:19,900
process I would see as one of those

1397
00:56:26,220 --> 00:56:23,230
contradictions that we can resolve right

1398
00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:26,230
on and I wouldn't argue the data of

1399
00:56:30,359 --> 00:56:28,329
change in the climate environment is

1400
00:56:32,670 --> 00:56:30,369
ironclad but I am one of those people

1401
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:32,680
who's skeptical of the interpretation

1402
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:34,720
but let's say for the sake of argument

1403
00:56:39,900 --> 00:56:37,119
that it is all man-made what are you

1404
00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:39,910
what are you skeptical oh I'm skeptical

1405
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:40,809
of anything that's really this

1406
00:56:45,420 --> 00:56:42,910
politicized but I've had one guest

1407
00:56:48,359 --> 00:56:45,430
Randall Carlson who is a pal of Graham

1408
00:56:50,190 --> 00:56:48,369
Hancock's and he's very blunt about the

1409
00:56:51,930 --> 00:56:50,200
fact that the International Tribunal on

1410
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:51,940
climate change when it was put together

1411
00:56:56,970 --> 00:56:54,010
that think-tank they were given the

1412
00:56:59,370 --> 00:56:56,980
mandate to say find some science that

1413
00:57:01,020 --> 00:56:59,380
supports the idea that this is all

1414
00:57:03,299 --> 00:57:01,030
man-made and so they latched on to the

1415
00:57:05,309 --> 00:57:03,309
co2 argument and this is just the

1416
00:57:08,430 --> 00:57:05,319
impressions from Randall Carlson who is

1417
00:57:10,530 --> 00:57:08,440
a smarter guy than me but I do think

1418
00:57:12,660 --> 00:57:10,540
there's the possibility to twist science

1419
00:57:15,299 --> 00:57:12,670
and and do things like this carbon tax

1420
00:57:18,809 --> 00:57:15,309
program I think that's kind of a Western

1421
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:18,819
play to keep the other nations from

1422
00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:20,530
catching up to us quite as well because

1423
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:22,030
now that we've had the benefits of doing

1424
00:57:25,020 --> 00:57:23,170
whatever the hell you want to the

1425
00:57:27,299 --> 00:57:25,030
environment now we're going to cap some

1426
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:27,309
things to keep you in a lower place I

1427
00:57:30,990 --> 00:57:28,690
think those are possibilities I'm

1428
00:57:33,329 --> 00:57:31,000
open-minded to a lot of the stuff but I

1429
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:33,339
would separate out I think that we have

1430
00:57:36,450 --> 00:57:34,690
to be you know what's gonna you know if

1431
00:57:38,609 --> 00:57:36,460
we're gonna get out of this disaster

1432
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:38,619
that we read we actually have to learn

1433
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:39,010
how to

1434
00:57:43,140 --> 00:57:41,110
and clearly or more clearly than we've

1435
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:43,150
been able to think up till now and and

1436
00:57:45,660 --> 00:57:43,930
for me there was a little bit of a

1437
00:57:47,850 --> 00:57:45,670
conflation there like you know there's

1438
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:47,860
private science in the one hand and then

1439
00:57:53,370 --> 00:57:50,290
there's carbon taxation there which is

1440
00:57:55,850 --> 00:57:53,380
that litical method or a political

1441
00:58:00,660 --> 00:57:55,860
economic technique to try to deal with

1442
00:58:02,460 --> 00:58:00,670
what we you know unleashed in a way but

1443
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:02,470
my understanding the carbon taxation and

1444
00:58:07,590 --> 00:58:04,480
I'm not an expert on it was that you

1445
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:07,600
know we would be you know by by taxing

1446
00:58:11,220 --> 00:58:09,610
carbon that would ultimately have an

1447
00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:11,230
impact it would make companies more

1448
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:13,000
careful in their use of it we're willing

1449
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:16,330
to pay to store it or to create carbon

1450
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:19,210
sinks and so on you know if it worked

1451
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:21,010
properly it would have a benefit for the

1452
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:23,890
developing world however you know it's

1453
00:58:27,930 --> 00:58:26,650
critiqued because essentially within

1454
00:58:29,130 --> 00:58:27,940
this political economic system

1455
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:29,140
everything else only comes loose about

1456
00:58:34,650 --> 00:58:31,210
growth and about profit so if you create

1457
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:34,660
a market for co2 in a way that could

1458
00:58:40,070 --> 00:58:36,970
have a perverse impact where it actually

1459
00:58:42,540 --> 00:58:40,080
values co2 pollution and rather than

1460
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:42,550
helping to reduce it it almost just

1461
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:44,530
allows you to fetch ooooh eight people

1462
00:58:49,110 --> 00:58:46,690
buy these great these perverse subsidies

1463
00:58:50,940 --> 00:58:49,120
and so on mm-hmm and those are great

1464
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:50,950
points and I and I support doing things

1465
00:58:55,110 --> 00:58:53,290
cleaner and more sustainable period

1466
00:58:59,220 --> 00:58:55,120
honestly like I would rather move to

1467
00:59:00,570 --> 00:58:59,230
solar and wind and you know a zero point

1468
00:59:03,090 --> 00:59:00,580
energy and whatever else might be out

1469
00:59:04,740 --> 00:59:03,100
there regardless of if we're really

1470
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:04,750
having the impact or not because you can

1471
00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:07,690
see a smog cloud over LA and you don't

1472
00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:09,640
want that you know so I definitely

1473
00:59:13,230 --> 00:59:11,710
support doing things cleaner regardless

1474
00:59:16,050 --> 00:59:13,240
but earlier you had mentioned mentioned

1475
00:59:18,810 --> 00:59:16,060
that we should get past the blame but

1476
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:18,820
isn't it important to call out the exact

1477
00:59:22,530 --> 00:59:20,410
companies that have caused some of these

1478
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:22,540
problems if it is man-made Monsanto Dow

1479
00:59:26,580 --> 00:59:24,970
Chemical Standard Oil BP I mean

1480
00:59:31,110 --> 00:59:26,590
shouldn't we call them out specifically

1481
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:31,120
rather than being vague about it um yes

1482
00:59:34,290 --> 00:59:32,290
I mean you can call it about

1483
00:59:37,980 --> 00:59:34,300
specifically but but I really see what

1484
00:59:40,140 --> 00:59:37,990
what you know you mean don't we have to

1485
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:40,150
dismantle Monsanto to actually like

1486
00:59:48,290 --> 00:59:44,410
solve the food problem yeah I think

1487
00:59:51,590 --> 00:59:48,300
we're gonna have to figure out how we

1488
00:59:54,650 --> 00:59:51,600
you know engineer a

1489
01:00:00,890 --> 00:59:54,660
a redesign of what's currently the

1490
01:00:04,250 --> 01:00:00,900
corporate system and I think it's a yeah

1491
01:00:06,140 --> 01:00:04,260
I mean you know once again I give you

1492
01:00:08,210 --> 01:00:06,150
this model of like operating systems or

1493
01:00:12,620 --> 01:00:08,220
something another another one of the

1494
01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:12,630
main ideas the book is you know we could

1495
01:00:19,220 --> 01:00:16,740
look at ourselves humanity species as

1496
01:00:21,380 --> 01:00:19,230
being on the cusp of just realize that

1497
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:21,390
we're discovering that were actually a

1498
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:25,290
gigantic planetary super organism you

1499
01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:28,650
know we are actually in a symbiotic

1500
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:30,510
relationship with the Earth's ecology as

1501
01:00:36,020 --> 01:00:32,970
a whole system and you're should be

1502
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:36,030
acting as symbiotic expressions you know

1503
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:38,130
of your technology rather than is just

1504
01:00:44,090 --> 01:00:41,130
you know individual over individuated

1505
01:00:45,860 --> 01:00:44,100
consumers and so on and if we think

1506
01:00:47,420 --> 01:00:45,870
about things in those terms we think

1507
01:00:48,410 --> 01:00:47,430
about humanity as a whole in this

1508
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:48,420
relationship to your if there's a

1509
01:00:55,970 --> 01:00:53,370
planetary super organism then you know

1510
01:00:58,190 --> 01:00:55,980
we can ask what are the organs of that

1511
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,200
super organism and in a strange way I

1512
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:00,960
think that the corporations are actually

1513
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:04,610
like the organs of the super organism

1514
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:07,290
you know the human body you know we have

1515
01:01:11,690 --> 01:01:09,690
the blood system you know we have the

1516
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:11,700
loan usually the brain we've septal

1517
01:01:14,780 --> 01:01:12,450
mechanisms

1518
01:01:15,980 --> 01:01:14,790
you know similarly I feel multinational

1519
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:15,990
corporations are kind of the nascent

1520
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:18,570
organs in the collective body of

1521
01:01:22,970 --> 01:01:21,210
humanity so an energy company is very

1522
01:01:25,220 --> 01:01:22,980
much like the blood right it's taking

1523
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:25,230
the fuel and bringing it across the

1524
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:29,130
world to where it needs to go a media

1525
01:01:33,410 --> 01:01:31,370
company is like the perceptual mechanism

1526
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:33,420
that you know the part of the brain that

1527
01:01:38,450 --> 01:01:36,090
kind of takes in the sense data and then

1528
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:38,460
converts it into narratives and memes

1529
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:41,610
that then you know allow us to react and

1530
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:43,170
do things in relationship to that

1531
01:01:47,540 --> 01:01:45,690
information so you know a sanitation

1532
01:01:48,980 --> 01:01:47,550
company a waste company would be like

1533
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:48,990
the kidney or the liver like breaking

1534
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:51,010
down our waste products

1535
01:01:55,170 --> 01:01:53,290
what are the books that I talk about a

1536
01:01:57,420 --> 01:01:55,180
lot in the new book one of my references

1537
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:57,430
is one called spontaneous evolution that

1538
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:00,400
was by cell biologist epigenesis bruce

1539
01:02:04,140 --> 01:02:02,530
lipton and a political philosopher

1540
01:02:06,270 --> 01:02:04,150
Stephen bear remember yeah they

1541
01:02:09,060 --> 01:02:06,280
basically argue that if we step back and

1542
01:02:11,220 --> 01:02:09,070
we look at the history of evolution on

1543
01:02:15,050 --> 01:02:11,230
the planet but we actually see as a

1544
01:02:18,090 --> 01:02:15,060
constant movement towards more complex

1545
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:18,100
levels of cooperation and that our own

1546
01:02:22,370 --> 01:02:19,930
bodies are getting gentleness you know

1547
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:22,380
our bodies for once these microorganisms

1548
01:02:27,690 --> 01:02:24,850
one celled organisms that were competing

1549
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:27,700
for resources consuming consuming each

1550
01:02:32,220 --> 01:02:30,400
other vast quantities and hit a crisis

1551
01:02:34,410 --> 01:02:32,230
they began to learn to work together to

1552
01:02:37,770 --> 01:02:34,420
create more complex organs like skin and

1553
01:02:38,820 --> 01:02:37,780
bones and eyes and so on and in a way

1554
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:38,830
you know once again we can see that

1555
01:02:42,930 --> 01:02:41,050
humanity is kind of like that you know

1556
01:02:44,070 --> 01:02:42,940
when we make a satellite dish you know

1557
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:44,080
it's like it's like basically we're

1558
01:02:47,700 --> 01:02:45,520
coming to you to build like a new kind

1559
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:47,710
of AI or something you know to observe

1560
01:02:52,620 --> 01:02:49,810
the other worlds or observe our world or

1561
01:02:55,350 --> 01:02:52,630
whatever so yeah so maybe we're on the

1562
01:02:57,930 --> 01:02:55,360
cusp of this crisis it's going to force

1563
01:03:00,240 --> 01:02:57,940
what are now called corporations to

1564
01:03:02,430 --> 01:03:00,250
become more like cooperative transparent

1565
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:02,440
infrastructure or you know of the

1566
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:04,570
collective money that would be the

1567
01:03:09,210 --> 01:03:06,810
logical implication to my perspective

1568
01:03:11,490 --> 01:03:09,220
what it what is the process by which we

1569
01:03:13,350 --> 01:03:11,500
get there and how much you know

1570
01:03:15,930 --> 01:03:13,360
immiseration and chaos and destruction

1571
01:03:17,850 --> 01:03:15,940
is required before we get there is

1572
01:03:21,450 --> 01:03:17,860
really for me a question of how fast

1573
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:21,460
people can you know sign on to a new

1574
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:23,680
approach a new idea and figure out how

1575
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:26,410
to tangibly data fest it mm-hmm

1576
01:03:31,710 --> 01:03:29,680
you do make great points and just to tie

1577
01:03:34,260 --> 01:03:31,720
this back to the idea of initiatory

1578
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:34,270
experience missing from our society one

1579
01:03:38,460 --> 01:03:36,490
roadblock is people do fear the unknown

1580
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:38,470
like I know so many people who might be

1581
01:03:43,890 --> 01:03:40,930
in a soulless job working a nine-to-five

1582
01:03:45,900 --> 01:03:43,900
they don't care about and you bring up

1583
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:45,910
some of these ideas like you know a

1584
01:03:50,130 --> 01:03:47,650
Venus Project Society or something

1585
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:50,140
similar something maybe more advanced

1586
01:03:53,970 --> 01:03:52,690
but these radical different ideas even

1587
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:53,980
though these people are living paycheck

1588
01:03:59,130 --> 01:03:56,890
to paycheck largely screwed and unhappy

1589
01:04:01,140 --> 01:03:59,140
the idea that there's a chance it could

1590
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:01,150
be worse like they fear that and I think

1591
01:04:04,359 --> 01:04:02,530
that does go back to the lack of

1592
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:04,369
initiative is that kind

1593
01:04:09,099 --> 01:04:06,410
promotes adventurism promotes

1594
01:04:10,359 --> 01:04:09,109
confronting the unknown and some people

1595
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:10,369
are paralyzed do you think that plays a

1596
01:04:16,930 --> 01:04:12,890
role yeah absolutely

1597
01:04:19,779 --> 01:04:16,940
you know and that's once again maybe why

1598
01:04:21,789 --> 01:04:19,789
on some subconscious level you know

1599
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:21,799
rather than for dealing you know with

1600
01:04:27,220 --> 01:04:24,170
the ecological situation we've let it

1601
01:04:28,569 --> 01:04:27,230
get to this critical point you know so

1602
01:04:32,650 --> 01:04:28,579
that ultimately everybody's going to be

1603
01:04:35,019 --> 01:04:32,660
forced out of their comfort zones mm-hmm

1604
01:04:36,910 --> 01:04:35,029
well Daniel it's been great talking to

1605
01:04:38,739 --> 01:04:36,920
you your optimism is starting to rub off

1606
01:04:45,370 --> 01:04:38,749
on me so that's a good thing because I'm

1607
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:45,380
a jaded broken man so before we really

1608
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:46,970
wrap this up tell people where they can

1609
01:04:50,529 --> 01:04:48,410
get more Pinchbeck if they want to

1610
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:50,539
follow up on your work after hearing

1611
01:04:56,319 --> 01:04:53,839
this in the new book I got Twitter and

1612
01:04:58,120 --> 01:04:56,329
Instagram Facebook oh that's that but I

1613
01:05:01,059 --> 01:04:58,130
have a website to the podcast it is now

1614
01:05:03,519 --> 01:05:01,069
that info and my own website pitch back

1615
01:05:06,039 --> 01:05:03,529
down I oh so they can go and they can

1616
01:05:10,349 --> 01:05:06,049
you know register for email newsletters

1617
01:05:13,210 --> 01:05:10,359
of getting together float ideas you know

1618
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:13,220
inspired by the book and so on and the

1619
01:05:17,950 --> 01:05:15,200
book itself will be out in February

1620
01:05:20,019 --> 01:05:17,960
right on well thanks again for talking

1621
01:05:21,970 --> 01:05:20,029
to me I did love the book and we are in

1622
01:05:22,930 --> 01:05:21,980
Reno a radical new change today but keep

1623
01:05:26,170 --> 01:05:22,940
fighting the good fight man

1624
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:26,180
yeah good talking to you peace I'll get

1625
01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:29,839
you - sweet Jesus people Daniel

1626
01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:33,049
Pinchbeck in the house I gotta say I do

1627
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:34,910
have mixed feelings about this one I

1628
01:05:40,329 --> 01:05:37,970
feel a little guilty or bad for being so

1629
01:05:42,940 --> 01:05:40,339
combative everyone has their own

1630
01:05:45,789 --> 01:05:42,950
opinions and I should be able to have

1631
01:05:47,950 --> 01:05:45,799
mine but I felt like I drew more out of

1632
01:05:51,069 --> 01:05:47,960
his book that I took issue with and

1633
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:51,079
focused on that rather than what I liked

1634
01:05:55,329 --> 01:05:53,690
about it and that's kind of shitty a lot

1635
01:05:57,970 --> 01:05:55,339
of times I give people a pass on our

1636
01:06:00,759 --> 01:05:57,980
disagreements and I focus on where we're

1637
01:06:02,380 --> 01:06:00,769
aligned these people spend a lot of time

1638
01:06:04,239 --> 01:06:02,390
and effort writing books I'm not that

1639
01:06:06,519 --> 01:06:04,249
disciplined and then they're kind enough

1640
01:06:09,579 --> 01:06:06,529
to come on my show when a guy like

1641
01:06:11,859 --> 01:06:09,589
Daniel can get on all kinds of shows he

1642
01:06:14,140 --> 01:06:11,869
gives me two hours of his time and I

1643
01:06:15,009 --> 01:06:14,150
don't know there's a little bit of a bad

1644
01:06:17,769 --> 01:06:15,019
taste in my mouth

1645
01:06:18,670 --> 01:06:17,779
in my defense there though Daniels

1646
01:06:20,829 --> 01:06:18,680
people

1647
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:20,839
sought me out and asked if he could come

1648
01:06:27,300 --> 01:06:22,970
on the show and I agreed so it's not

1649
01:06:32,650 --> 01:06:27,310
like I sought him out to start a fight

1650
01:06:34,809 --> 01:06:32,660
but there is a dance to this semi press

1651
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:34,819
circuit if you could call it that

1652
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:37,760
these aren't supposed to be commercials

1653
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:42,079
but to the guests they kind of are and I

1654
01:06:46,270 --> 01:06:44,089
was in such a weird head space too with

1655
01:06:48,579 --> 01:06:46,280
the election results being so fresh and

1656
01:06:51,609 --> 01:06:48,589
again I don't want anyone to interpret

1657
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:51,619
my comments as excitement over Trump

1658
01:06:56,260 --> 01:06:53,810
winning it's more excitement over the

1659
01:06:59,559 --> 01:06:56,270
unexpected result more excitement over

1660
01:07:01,359 --> 01:06:59,569
Hillary losing you know not only losing

1661
01:07:03,819 --> 01:07:01,369
but her whole networks biggest secrets

1662
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:03,829
were leaked by somebody someone in the

1663
01:07:09,460 --> 01:07:06,050
shadows sort of played their trump card

1664
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:09,470
no pun intended that to me is exciting

1665
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:11,690
the media's got everybody focused on how

1666
01:07:16,510 --> 01:07:15,170
Trump emboldened racists but six months

1667
01:07:18,339 --> 01:07:16,520
ago many of us would have said the most

1668
01:07:20,410 --> 01:07:18,349
pressing issue was stopping the

1669
01:07:23,890 --> 01:07:20,420
trans-pacific partnership and it stopped

1670
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:23,900
I mean holy [\h__\h] right can we focus on

1671
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:25,970
that instead of a small percentage of

1672
01:07:30,430 --> 01:07:27,770
races who have projected their ideas

1673
01:07:32,650 --> 01:07:30,440
onto this guy plus he's already reeling

1674
01:07:34,270 --> 01:07:32,660
back on so much [\h__\h] he's not going

1675
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:34,280
after Clinton that was like his big

1676
01:07:39,010 --> 01:07:36,650
thing locker ah blah corrupt special

1677
01:07:42,730 --> 01:07:39,020
prosecutor and all that he's walked back

1678
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:42,740
his complete repeal of Obamacare instead

1679
01:07:47,290 --> 01:07:44,720
he's talking about tweaking it which I

1680
01:07:48,730 --> 01:07:47,300
actually think is fine the cost of

1681
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:48,740
medical coverage in this country is

1682
01:07:52,780 --> 01:07:51,050
insane of course you don't want the

1683
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:52,790
government limiting your options to just

1684
01:07:56,410 --> 01:07:54,410
the companies that they deal with and

1685
01:07:59,079 --> 01:07:56,420
all that stuff but something's got to be

1686
01:08:01,359 --> 01:07:59,089
done my point is there's a lot of

1687
01:08:03,490 --> 01:08:01,369
hyperbole on the campaign trail and this

1688
01:08:05,740 --> 01:08:03,500
is what always happens it comes back to

1689
01:08:07,839 --> 01:08:05,750
the center so don't be fooled all this

1690
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:07,849
paranoia over this little issue or that

1691
01:08:13,089 --> 01:08:10,400
one just relax until something actually

1692
01:08:17,110 --> 01:08:13,099
happens don't get yourself all worked up

1693
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:17,120
although his cabinet pics are supremely

1694
01:08:22,209 --> 01:08:19,730
shitty but hey it's a false choice

1695
01:08:24,459 --> 01:08:22,219
between two shitty candidates I'm trying

1696
01:08:27,249 --> 01:08:24,469
to find silver lining and I hear a lot

1697
01:08:28,780 --> 01:08:27,259
of well that's easy for this sis white

1698
01:08:30,729 --> 01:08:28,790
male to say relax

1699
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:30,739
what about Muslim Americans who are

1700
01:08:33,740 --> 01:08:32,130
scared their family overseas

1701
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:33,750
isn't gonna be able to visit or the

1702
01:08:38,780 --> 01:08:35,970
Mexican family he was afraid deportation

1703
01:08:41,930 --> 01:08:38,790
is gonna split them up well first of all

1704
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:41,940
if you're a Muslim American with family

1705
01:08:45,770 --> 01:08:44,130
in the Middle East Hillary Clinton as

1706
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:45,780
president is the last thing you want

1707
01:08:49,820 --> 01:08:47,250
she's the Middle East meddler

1708
01:08:52,130 --> 01:08:49,830
she's the Warhawk yeah she'll smile and

1709
01:08:54,530 --> 01:08:52,140
be polite while she drone strikes the

1710
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:54,540
[\h__\h] out of your homeland Trump may be

1711
01:08:58,580 --> 01:08:56,850
rude and insensitive but he talks like

1712
01:09:01,190 --> 01:08:58,590
an isolationist he talks like a

1713
01:09:03,470 --> 01:09:01,200
nationalist he wants to focus on America

1714
01:09:05,990 --> 01:09:03,480
be left the [\h__\h] alone and leave other

1715
01:09:07,460 --> 01:09:06,000
people the [\h__\h] alone - maybe we're

1716
01:09:09,260 --> 01:09:07,470
gonna claw back the American Empire

1717
01:09:11,770 --> 01:09:09,270
isn't that what a lot of us have been

1718
01:09:15,770 --> 01:09:11,780
talking about and wanting for so long

1719
01:09:18,890 --> 01:09:15,780
less war less intervention I mean that's

1720
01:09:21,230 --> 01:09:18,900
kind of what we got or what we voted for

1721
01:09:22,700 --> 01:09:21,240
who knows what we're gonna get we know a

1722
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:22,710
lot of those choices are off the table

1723
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:25,410
but that's what I would say to a Muslim

1724
01:09:32,270 --> 01:09:28,530
family though you don't want Clinton and

1725
01:09:35,090 --> 01:09:32,280
this election was to me a bit of a war

1726
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:35,100
between actions and feelings if you

1727
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:37,530
focused on actions they're both dicks

1728
01:09:41,300 --> 01:09:39,359
but Clinton is more dangerous and her

1729
01:09:43,310 --> 01:09:41,310
crimes are more in the government realm

1730
01:09:44,750 --> 01:09:43,320
rather than the business world and these

1731
01:09:47,540 --> 01:09:44,760
sectors have to be treated differently

1732
01:09:49,730 --> 01:09:47,550
so I think it makes Clinton's crimes and

1733
01:09:51,410 --> 01:09:49,740
corruption much worse than some shady

1734
01:09:53,540 --> 01:09:51,420
businessman who's not supposed to have

1735
01:09:55,820 --> 01:09:53,550
your best interests at heart but if you

1736
01:09:57,620 --> 01:09:55,830
focus on who's more polite which i think

1737
01:10:00,050 --> 01:09:57,630
is a bad way to look at it and of course

1738
01:10:03,290 --> 01:10:00,060
you're breaking down over a Clinton loss

1739
01:10:05,870 --> 01:10:03,300
but again don't be fooled and as for the

1740
01:10:08,090 --> 01:10:05,880
Mexican thing I I've said before I know

1741
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:08,100
it sounds a little one world government

1742
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:10,890
II but I think we should all have open

1743
01:10:15,140 --> 01:10:13,170
borders at least for travel logistically

1744
01:10:17,690 --> 01:10:15,150
it seems like a nightmare but it is just

1745
01:10:19,940 --> 01:10:17,700
so arbitrary and stupid all these

1746
01:10:23,420 --> 01:10:19,950
artificial lines and red tape just to

1747
01:10:25,130 --> 01:10:23,430
travel around this planet I mean this

1748
01:10:27,230 --> 01:10:25,140
planet is humanity's right shouldn't we

1749
01:10:30,110 --> 01:10:27,240
be able to explore it freely to some

1750
01:10:32,990 --> 01:10:30,120
degree so that is kind of my angle on

1751
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:33,000
that but hey I live like 20 minutes from

1752
01:10:37,190 --> 01:10:35,610
the border I don't see a problem and if

1753
01:10:38,750 --> 01:10:37,200
I was born on the south side of that

1754
01:10:41,660 --> 01:10:38,760
imaginary line where I had no

1755
01:10:44,180 --> 01:10:41,670
infrastructure no resources you bet your

1756
01:10:45,860 --> 01:10:44,190
ass I would try to get across and get

1757
01:10:49,700 --> 01:10:45,870
some [\h__\h] job that pays

1758
01:10:52,150 --> 01:10:49,710
$10 $20 an hour under the table washing

1759
01:10:54,440 --> 01:10:52,160
dishes working in some kitchen and

1760
01:10:56,900 --> 01:10:54,450
support my family and myself because

1761
01:10:59,780 --> 01:10:56,910
that would be the best option so I don't

1762
01:11:01,820 --> 01:10:59,790
blame anyone who does that but if you

1763
01:11:03,770 --> 01:11:01,830
come into a country illegally I mean

1764
01:11:06,020 --> 01:11:03,780
that's a risk and there would be

1765
01:11:08,750 --> 01:11:06,030
consequences if you get caught as an

1766
01:11:10,700 --> 01:11:08,760
example I speed all the time and if I

1767
01:11:13,580 --> 01:11:10,710
get caught I just say poof

1768
01:11:15,770 --> 01:11:13,590
well that sucks I knew the risk there's

1769
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:15,780
a consequence this is how the game is

1770
01:11:18,740 --> 01:11:16,320
played

1771
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:18,750
it sucks I think we should take any

1772
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:20,730
money and energy we put into securing

1773
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:23,850
our border and probably help Mexico make

1774
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:27,900
their society government more fair give

1775
01:11:32,300 --> 01:11:29,610
them a little better infrastructure so

1776
01:11:34,190 --> 01:11:32,310
that people don't need to come here they

1777
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:34,200
don't want to come here it's all driven

1778
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:36,690
by economics and then you got people

1779
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:38,010
saying they want to move to Canada

1780
01:11:43,610 --> 01:11:41,730
because of such a racist policy but good

1781
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:43,620
luck because Canada has the type of

1782
01:11:49,460 --> 01:11:46,170
immigration laws that you're running

1783
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:49,470
from in those cases and when you look at

1784
01:11:54,860 --> 01:11:51,810
the world happiness index it's those

1785
01:11:56,900 --> 01:11:54,870
countries like Iceland Sweden Norway

1786
01:11:58,760 --> 01:11:56,910
that have the best quality of life and

1787
01:12:01,550 --> 01:11:58,770
they also have really strict immigration

1788
01:12:04,450 --> 01:12:01,560
because they're their system has to be

1789
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:04,460
self-contained I get all that

1790
01:12:09,260 --> 01:12:07,080
maybe I'm sounding very conventional but

1791
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:09,270
there's just a lot of irrational talk

1792
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:11,520
going around right now that the media is

1793
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:12,890
just leading people around by the nose

1794
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:15,840
but in a nutshell I wish we all had

1795
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:18,210
small local governments everywhere but

1796
01:12:23,180 --> 01:12:21,210
free travel I know you can't really have

1797
01:12:25,070 --> 01:12:23,190
everyone flocking to nice areas or the

1798
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:25,080
system with the best benefits but I

1799
01:12:29,570 --> 01:12:26,850
still want to be able to go to China as

1800
01:12:31,490 --> 01:12:29,580
easy as I can go to Florida it's not so

1801
01:12:33,650 --> 01:12:31,500
much about ruling everybody under one

1802
01:12:36,290 --> 01:12:33,660
government umbrella it's just more about

1803
01:12:38,570 --> 01:12:36,300
being a little less paranoid and a

1804
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:38,580
little more friendly and maybe I don't

1805
01:12:42,740 --> 01:12:40,890
know what I'm talking about but no

1806
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:42,750
corporations that's another one what a

1807
01:12:47,390 --> 01:12:44,970
stance huh can anybody find a flaw with

1808
01:12:49,010 --> 01:12:47,400
that if every company had to have an

1809
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:49,020
owner who was accountable for their

1810
01:12:53,690 --> 01:12:51,090
company and their actions wouldn't that

1811
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:53,700
solve a lot of problems would it create

1812
01:12:58,340 --> 01:12:56,370
problems that I'm not seen probably I

1813
01:12:59,250 --> 01:12:58,350
don't know but that was another issue I

1814
01:13:01,890 --> 01:12:59,260
had with Daniel's

1815
01:13:03,569 --> 01:13:01,900
he says we need to make these changes to

1816
01:13:06,180 --> 01:13:03,579
save the planet and he doesn't see how

1817
01:13:08,069 --> 01:13:06,190
blame is useful well we have to be

1818
01:13:09,689 --> 01:13:08,079
honest about how we got here and who did

1819
01:13:11,549 --> 01:13:09,699
it and who is gonna have to be held

1820
01:13:14,850 --> 01:13:11,559
accountable or at least not allowed to

1821
01:13:16,649 --> 01:13:14,860
continue [\h__\h] things up right here's

1822
01:13:19,500 --> 01:13:16,659
a decent example the California drought

1823
01:13:21,629 --> 01:13:19,510
regular people are being told not to

1824
01:13:24,419 --> 01:13:21,639
water their gardens actually being fined

1825
01:13:26,669 --> 01:13:24,429
over their water usage meanwhile no

1826
01:13:28,589 --> 01:13:26,679
restrictions whatsoever on big agro on

1827
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:28,599
these huge corporate farms all over the

1828
01:13:34,410 --> 01:13:31,360
state reports were showing that they

1829
01:13:37,290 --> 01:13:34,420
were using like 75 percent of the state

1830
01:13:39,209 --> 01:13:37,300
water well what people use is a fraction

1831
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:39,219
of that but we're getting the blame and

1832
01:13:43,410 --> 01:13:41,170
we're getting the fines and then Nestle

1833
01:13:44,850 --> 01:13:43,420
is trying to privatize water turns out

1834
01:13:47,790 --> 01:13:44,860
they were stealing water when their

1835
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:47,800
permit expired like a decade ago so if

1836
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:49,690
we put the blame where it belongs and

1837
01:13:53,700 --> 01:13:51,250
the fines and restrictions where they

1838
01:13:55,979 --> 01:13:53,710
belong we could do much more to fix the

1839
01:13:57,450 --> 01:13:55,989
problems in my opinion you can change

1840
01:14:00,000 --> 01:13:57,460
your light bulbs out all day take

1841
01:14:03,299 --> 01:14:00,010
shorter showers all day it's a symbolic

1842
01:14:05,839 --> 01:14:03,309
gesture compared to the real damage

1843
01:14:07,229 --> 01:14:05,849
that's being done by these giant mega

1844
01:14:10,709 --> 01:14:07,239
international Korps

1845
01:14:13,709 --> 01:14:10,719
I do appreciate Daniels dedication to

1846
01:14:14,250 --> 01:14:13,719
making a plan a blueprint for a better

1847
01:14:16,830 --> 01:14:14,260
world

1848
01:14:19,319 --> 01:14:16,840
he's a positive guy but that assumes the

1849
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:19,329
problem is that we don't have a plan and

1850
01:14:23,609 --> 01:14:21,250
I think the problem is we're not allowed

1851
01:14:25,109 --> 01:14:23,619
to act on plans and ideas and

1852
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:25,119
technologies that have been there for

1853
01:14:29,790 --> 01:14:27,489
decades so I feel like there's a little

1854
01:14:31,919 --> 01:14:29,800
subtle misdirection they're probably

1855
01:14:34,350 --> 01:14:31,929
unintentional but I was a bit of a

1856
01:14:36,569 --> 01:14:34,360
stickler on those points because I think

1857
01:14:38,970 --> 01:14:36,579
they're important if we're being serious

1858
01:14:40,620 --> 01:14:38,980
about real change we want the same

1859
01:14:44,220 --> 01:14:40,630
things me and Daniel we just slightly

1860
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:44,230
disagree on how to get there and what is

1861
01:14:49,290 --> 01:14:46,960
most important along the way that's all

1862
01:14:51,390 --> 01:14:49,300
right but the system will always blame

1863
01:14:53,970 --> 01:14:51,400
the people when it's usually big

1864
01:14:56,129 --> 01:14:53,980
corporations captained by the nefarious

1865
01:14:58,740 --> 01:14:56,139
elite that have the resources to do that

1866
01:15:01,410 --> 01:14:58,750
real damage just like they try to say

1867
01:15:03,689 --> 01:15:01,420
it's all the people on welfare sinking

1868
01:15:05,939 --> 01:15:03,699
the economy when really it's the goddamn

1869
01:15:08,430 --> 01:15:05,949
fractional reserve system the debt based

1870
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:08,440
system of rule that has a salt chase in

1871
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:12,400
green paper and uses poverty as a web

1872
01:15:15,689 --> 01:15:14,530
but it's always about blaming the people

1873
01:15:18,209 --> 01:15:15,699
instead of looking at the real

1874
01:15:20,939 --> 01:15:18,219
mechanisms that are kicking us in the

1875
01:15:22,590 --> 01:15:20,949
collective dick are you and I cutting

1876
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:22,600
down the rainforest are we dumping

1877
01:15:27,899 --> 01:15:24,250
millions of gallons of oil in the Gulf

1878
01:15:31,260 --> 01:15:27,909
of Mexico but hey I'm young and angry

1879
01:15:33,390 --> 01:15:31,270
and cynical and probably naive and maybe

1880
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:33,400
Daniel is just a little more evolved Zen

1881
01:15:37,979 --> 01:15:35,199
and forward-thinking than me who's to

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say but ultimately I did enjoy his book

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even reading things we might disagree

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with is a great thing and I do love his

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input in the realm of psychedelics and

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the lack of the Western initiation I am

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on that page for sure so do check it out

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if you're interested or hit Daniel up

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and tell him you liked the show and it

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was worth his time and he made great

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points I gotta say Russell Brand wrote

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his intro sting wrote is forward so he

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knows some wheelers and dealers who have

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a lot more respect for his opinions than

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they do mine of course in the Plus show

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we got deeper into this stuff if you

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liked the first free hour sign up for

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the second if you agree with my

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contentions here also the higher side

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clothing calm new amazing shirts with

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artwork based on episodes of this show

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I'm willing to bet we have the best most

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fashionable Hollow Earth shirt on the

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goddamn planet and maybe the only JP

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Morgan sank the Titanic to institute the

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Federal Reserve shirt and an amazing

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Archon design and nine other ones those

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a goddamn dozen of them the higher side

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chats clothing comm check it out so

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that's it I'm gonna stop rambling I'm

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probably showing my ignorance and you

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really can't solve the world's problems

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in a simple 5-minute wrap-up to a

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podcast and my opinion only matters so

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much on this show typically usually it's

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about absorbing the perspectives of

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different people and I hope some of us

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did that today thanks to Daniel for

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being here I think I could also hear in

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his voice that I I'm not sure he felt

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that great so maybe that was part of the

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thing too

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either way enough of my qualifying Jesus

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hope you were entertained and

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enlightened and I will see you next time

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I've done my part your move humanity

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you're [\h__\h] lucid dreams are so vivid

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cuz you go to bed at 7 and your brain

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comes alive

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cuz you hate and 9:00 to 5:00 you wake

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up with a dread and make sure your cats

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are fed did your brain talk to a ghost

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01:17:49,930 --> 01:17:45,890
who moved your coffee and your toast as

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01:17:52,690 --> 01:17:49,940
you listen to the higher side chats you

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get to your desk and your boss says it's

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a mess and your soul slowly goes to a

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01:18:02,610 --> 01:17:57,980
place where nothing grows when you think

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01:18:05,740 --> 01:18:02,620
he's not around you insert a SETI sound

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01:18:10,090 --> 01:18:05,750
vom says turn it down and you say it's

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just the higher side chats oh do you

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01:18:17,890 --> 01:18:13,420
think you'd be invited to Bohemian Grove

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to a Bilderberg Club oh do you think

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you'd be invited by roster to a party on

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to the center of the

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to the Marianas Trench your teeth begin

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01:18:41,050 --> 01:18:37,010
to clench from the sulphureus stench the

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01:18:45,300 --> 01:18:41,060
mask you give and ours and fit cuz

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01:18:50,860 --> 01:18:48,220
starting today you'll make plans to get

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away there's no one to hold you down and

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01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:53,570
the what if start to drown then you wake

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01:18:59,290 --> 01:18:56,449
to the glare of a co fluorescent stare

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and the light winks at you cuz its life

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01:19:05,500 --> 01:19:01,670
is almost through but it's holding gone

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01:19:07,570 --> 01:19:05,510
to quit time just like you it's time for

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the higher side chats

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hey guys thanks for listening to the

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first hour of the higher side chats

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podcast with me Greg Carl wood if you

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don't know there is a second hour to all

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the episodes we do around here generally

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we're able to get a lot deeper into the

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topics and ideas that a guest is about

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so if you enjoyed what you've heard from

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THC for free consider signing up at the

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higher side chats plus com to get the

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second hour of the 5 shows I put

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together each month I never really

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01:19:53,110 --> 01:19:51,410
wanted to be a paid subscriber podcast

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01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:53,120
but I really hate the idea of spending

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airtime promoting some product that's

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01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:57,230
completely unrelated and telling you the

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best way to support the show is to buy

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an audio book or new underwear by mail

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01:20:05,890 --> 01:20:03,560
or something crazy like that so instead

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01:20:07,480 --> 01:20:05,900
if you like the show double your time

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01:20:09,580 --> 01:20:07,490
with it for five bucks a month and let's

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cut out all the other [\h__\h] it's half the

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price of a movie ticket and you get at

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least an extra five hours of show a

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month collectively it keeps us stable

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and it frees me from wasting your time

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01:20:21,550 --> 01:20:19,010
with anything but the show you came to

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01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:21,560
listen to it's really the only way for

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01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:23,570
an independent one-man show to make it

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01:20:27,580 --> 01:20:25,370
and I do what I can so that it's worth

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01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:27,590
your while since we started this I've

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01:20:31,570 --> 01:20:29,570
always tried to use the subscriptions to

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01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:31,580
improve the podcast and make signups

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01:20:36,070 --> 01:20:34,130
more advantageous it started with just a

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01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:36,080
second hour for the main show but now

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01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:37,730
we've got a nice forum going where

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01:20:41,500 --> 01:20:39,770
people can get deeper in conversation

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01:20:44,380 --> 01:20:41,510
about the episodes with other listeners

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submit a candidate in the guest request

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thread or share their own personal

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01:20:50,380 --> 01:20:48,140
projects to get out of the soul-crushing

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01:20:52,990 --> 01:20:50,390
nine-to-five cog in the wheel life on

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01:20:54,430 --> 01:20:53,000
the entrepreneurs thread the forum in

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01:20:56,350 --> 01:20:54,440
the Plus comments they're always the

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01:20:58,600 --> 01:20:56,360
first places I try to go for listener

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01:21:00,970 --> 01:20:58,610
engagement but it does get harder as the

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01:21:02,830 --> 01:21:00,980
show gets more popular because of that

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there's also a direct messaging feature

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01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:04,310
that you can use to reach me through the

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plus site also but beyond the forum if

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01:21:10,930 --> 01:21:08,750
you like any of the music I've used for

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01:21:12,700 --> 01:21:10,940
THC most of it I've hired artists to

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01:21:14,980 --> 01:21:12,710
make and I provided all its free

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downloads to plus members too so if you

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01:21:18,610 --> 01:21:16,430
like a particular song you've heard

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01:21:21,010 --> 01:21:18,620
close the show out recently come get the

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mp3 I should also mention that if you

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01:21:25,330 --> 01:21:23,000
don't like the idea of paying $5

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01:21:27,490 --> 01:21:25,340
recurring every month I get that you can

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01:21:29,860 --> 01:21:27,500
buy three months six months or a year

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upfront and just be done with it I have

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01:21:34,150 --> 01:21:31,610
plenty of listeners who send checks and

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money orders to the PIO box too I try to

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make it as easy for

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as I can and you can read more about it

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on the signup page also be sure to check

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out the FAQ help page on the plus site

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if you have any questions or concerns

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01:21:46,540 --> 01:21:44,510
about how to listen to a

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01:21:48,430 --> 01:21:46,550
password-protected show on your devices

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01:21:50,740 --> 01:21:48,440
I've highlighted a lot of great

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01:21:52,780 --> 01:21:50,750
solutions and one of those would be the

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iPhone app that just recently hit the

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Apple App Store a super kind and

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01:21:59,320 --> 01:21:57,469
talented listener made it for us and you

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01:22:01,479 --> 01:21:59,330
can use it to stream or download either

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01:22:04,450 --> 01:22:01,489
the free or the plus show if you're on

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01:22:06,010 --> 01:22:04,460
Android I'd use pocket casts or podcast

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01:22:08,620 --> 01:22:06,020
addict and subscribe to the feed

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manually that way I also try to throw an

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01:22:13,300 --> 01:22:11,330
occasional bonus shows or QA shows and

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01:22:15,490 --> 01:22:13,310
I've got a few other weird ideas I might

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01:22:17,410 --> 01:22:15,500
get to try out soon but I give you all I

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01:22:19,090 --> 01:22:17,420
can for five bucks and I hope you'll at

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01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:19,100
least give it a shot if you've listened

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01:22:22,570 --> 01:22:20,810
to a few free shows and you find them

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01:22:24,340 --> 01:22:22,580
unique or valuable I know there's a lot

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of podcasts out there and I'm just one

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01:22:28,330 --> 01:22:26,510
of them but if you have any questions

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01:22:29,770 --> 01:22:28,340
concerns or comments about any of this

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01:22:30,850 --> 01:22:29,780
please get in touch with us at the

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team @ gmail.com I also wanted to plug

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the higher side newsletter I'm gonna be

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putting out totally free for anyone who

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wants to sign up at the main Internet

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you can also get on that email list

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through the higher side chats Facebook

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page there's a button there as well but

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01:22:52,510 --> 01:22:50,000
the reason I'm doing this is because I

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01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:52,520
get tons and tons of emails after a show

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01:22:56,470 --> 01:22:54,530
goes up asking me about how I feel about

2060
01:22:58,060 --> 01:22:56,480
a particular guest or topic and the

2061
01:22:59,979 --> 01:22:58,070
wrap-up isn't always the best place to

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01:23:02,020 --> 01:22:59,989
do that especially if I have anything

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01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:02,030
negative to say sometimes the dust needs

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01:23:06,370 --> 01:23:03,920
to settle sometimes they need to hear

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01:23:07,959 --> 01:23:06,380
feedback from you guys first there are a

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01:23:09,550 --> 01:23:07,969
lot of factors but I usually have

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01:23:12,010 --> 01:23:09,560
something to communicate to you and I

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01:23:13,630 --> 01:23:12,020
just don't get to do it so on the first

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01:23:15,220 --> 01:23:13,640
of the month I plan to send out a little

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01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:15,230
newsletter with my thoughts about the

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five shows the previous month and talk

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01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:19,489
to you about anything else that's on my

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01:23:23,470 --> 01:23:21,650
mind or that's going on and what's

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01:23:25,180 --> 01:23:23,480
probably most enticing is that I'm gonna

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01:23:27,070 --> 01:23:25,190
give you some insight into at least one

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01:23:29,169 --> 01:23:27,080
guest I have coming up in the month

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01:23:31,180 --> 01:23:29,179
which people have been begging for some

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01:23:33,100 --> 01:23:31,190
posted schedule for a long time I

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01:23:34,810 --> 01:23:33,110
personally think I'd like the surprise

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01:23:36,850 --> 01:23:34,820
but sign up for the higher side

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newsletter it's free it comes out on the

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01:23:40,060 --> 01:23:38,179
first of the month and I won't waste

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01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:40,070
your time with any other emails and

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01:23:44,590 --> 01:23:42,650
that's it I appreciate you listening I

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01:23:46,930 --> 01:23:44,600
try to give alternative ideas and guess

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01:23:49,150 --> 01:23:46,940
a fair shake on a high quality podcast

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01:23:51,340 --> 01:23:49,160
expose some deep level can spear

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01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:51,350
without the yelling and I hope to offer

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01:23:55,210 --> 01:23:53,090
some inspiration that even though the

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01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:55,220
system relentlessly suggests you should

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01:23:59,350 --> 01:23:57,530
follow their blueprint to mediocrity you

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01:24:01,660 --> 01:23:59,360
can do your own thing and live a much

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01:24:03,490 --> 01:24:01,670
happier life despite all the negativity